Trade Proposal

dollarNdream · September 1st, 2007, 11:04 AM

Let me know if this is in the ballpark and what you Jays are looking for.

Mets give OF prospect Fernando Martinez and SP prospect Phil Humber

TOR give SP AJ Burnett or SP Roy Halladay
Someone please tell me who is valued higher. They have similar track records and contracts expire the same year with Halladay averaging a couple million more.

As a Met fan I dont trust right handers Pedro, El Duque or Maine. Or lefty Perez either and probability says 2 of those 4 will perform well next year. Carlos Zambrano is off the market so there goes the ace the Mets are looking for. Martinez is expendable with Milledge, Beltran and Gomez in the OF.

I am not too familiar with TOR but a quick look says the team lacks left handed hitting, a LFer and a LHSP? I havent heard of any big time prospects coming up in the OF either so I think Martinez would give you guys an incredible OF with Wells and Rios. It also appears you have an adequate amount of RHSP and several young ones so sparing one will not be devastating.

85Jays · September 7th, 2007, 11:45 AM

Well, the Jays are not so desperate for lefty hitting that they'll trade a Roy Halladay -- or even a Burnett -- for a hitter who is 18 years old and unlikely to be a big-league regular for some time. Realistically, if you want to trade for Halladay and want to dangle a hitter as bait, then you're talking about someone like Beltran. Halladay's one of the top pitchers in the game, so you're not going to get him without giving up someone who is at or near elite level -- prospects won't come close.

Obviously Beltran would be something of a steep price (and the prospects might need to be included as well), but that's why it's tough to trade for a proven major-league ace. Wright would be another option, but the Jays would likely be more keen on Beltran who, despite hitting a bit better from the right side, has good numbers batting left-handed as well. (Not that Wright's a slouch against righties, of course.)

Yep, we're talking about big bats, but if we're being honest, that's what it would take.

Burnett is definitely someone more likely to be available, but again, I don't think prospects do it ... not if the Jays want to contend in 2007. Humber is, admittedly, an attractive option, but I'm not sure this package quite gets the deal done. I suspect the Jays would be looking for the two prospects you've mentioned, plus a quality major league lefty bat ... of course, a Beltran would not be necessary to pull off this deal. Burnett's health is and always has been suspect.

JMUplayer · October 10th, 2007, 07:47 AM

Trading Doc or AJ would be the dumbest move... to compete you have to have pitching and even though the health record is questionable you have to put your faith there.

You want to make a deal trade one of the mediocore pitchers for one of the TB outfielders, they have way too many.

gojays2007 · October 11th, 2007, 11:08 AM

85Jays · October 12th, 2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Trading Doc or AJ would be the dumbest move... to compete you have to have pitching and even though the health record is questionable you have to put your faith there.

I'm not advocating trading AJ unless the return is substantial, but the concept of trading him isn't all that dumb, if you could be assured that both Marcum and McGowan are for real, and that you'll be able to fill out the rotation with effective 4 and 5 pitchers. I'm not sold on all that, but I'm speaking hypothetically.

The motivation for trading AJ would not be just that he's made of glass, but that there's a strong possibility (or even probability) that he'll opt out at the end of this year -- that's a reason to consider the pros and cons of trading him.

That said, I don't know that we'd be able to get a return that would make up for losing what AJ could offer if he were healthy for a full season. Other teams know he's fragile and has an opt-out, too. Any deal is dependent on what we'd get back. Like I said, prospects won't do it.

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You want to make a deal trade one of the mediocore pitchers for one of the TB outfielders, they have way too many.

That's questionable. I don't believe Tampa Bay is in the market for mediocre pitchers, and they don't seem to be desperate to shed excess outfielders. But it depends on who you're referring to. What mediocre pitcher would you trade for what outfielder?

September 1st, 2007, 11:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
dollarNdream New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2	Trade Proposal Let me know if this is in the ballpark and what you Jays are looking for. Mets give OF prospect Fernando Martinez and SP prospect Phil Humber TOR give SP AJ Burnett or SP Roy Halladay Someone please tell me who is valued higher. They have similar track records and contracts expire the same year with Halladay averaging a couple million more. As a Met fan I dont trust right handers Pedro, El Duque or Maine. Or lefty Perez either and probability says 2 of those 4 will perform well next year. Carlos Zambrano is off the market so there goes the ace the Mets are looking for. Martinez is expendable with Milledge, Beltran and Gomez in the OF. I am not too familiar with TOR but a quick look says the team lacks left handed hitting, a LFer and a LHSP? I havent heard of any big time prospects coming up in the OF either so I think Martinez would give you guys an incredible OF with Wells and Rios. It also appears you have an adequate amount of RHSP and several young ones so sparing one will not be devastating.

October 11th, 2007, 11:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
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September 7th, 2007, 11:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
85Jays Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36	Well, the Jays are not so desperate for lefty hitting that they'll trade a Roy Halladay -- or even a Burnett -- for a hitter who is 18 years old and unlikely to be a big-league regular for some time. Realistically, if you want to trade for Halladay and want to dangle a hitter as bait, then you're talking about someone like Beltran. Halladay's one of the top pitchers in the game, so you're not going to get him without giving up someone who is at or near elite level -- prospects won't come close. Obviously Beltran would be something of a steep price (and the prospects might need to be included as well), but that's why it's tough to trade for a proven major-league ace. Wright would be another option, but the Jays would likely be more keen on Beltran who, despite hitting a bit better from the right side, has good numbers batting left-handed as well. (Not that Wright's a slouch against righties, of course.) Yep, we're talking about big bats, but if we're being honest, that's what it would take. Burnett is definitely someone more likely to be available, but again, I don't think prospects do it ... not if the Jays want to contend in 2007. Humber is, admittedly, an attractive option, but I'm not sure this package quite gets the deal done. I suspect the Jays would be looking for the two prospects you've mentioned, plus a quality major league lefty bat ... of course, a Beltran would not be necessary to pull off this deal. Burnett's health is and always has been suspect.

October 10th, 2007, 07:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
JMUplayer Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 204	Trading Doc or AJ would be the dumbest move... to compete you have to have pitching and even though the health record is questionable you have to put your faith there. You want to make a deal trade one of the mediocore pitchers for one of the TB outfielders, they have way too many.