Royce Clayton is your new SS

danjulien · 11-29-2006, 06:22 PM

Ultimate · 11-29-2006, 06:28 PM

Well, not sure how I want to take this. Clayton obviously can't hit period. Although he does have a good glove. I don't get why we wouldn't just give the job to McDonald and bring in a minor league deal type to be the reserve infielder. Its not much money, but it still is enough money that could be useful in other areas. I guess I can't say I agree with this move, but it atleast shouldn't hurt us too much.

gojays2007 · 11-29-2006, 06:32 PM

horrible waste of ONLY 1.5M.

Ultimate · 11-29-2006, 06:47 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6221264

There is the link for the article from Rosenthal.

Bjindaho · 11-29-2006, 08:02 PM

Well, he's an upgrade both offensively (slightly below .700OPS to slightly below .600OPS) and defensively over JMac.

JMac defense seemed overhyped. He had trouble playing the position defensively, so hopefully Clayton can fill the spot, at least in the interim.

Noob · 11-29-2006, 10:13 PM

hmmm...alright signing as far as bandaid moves go. I like leaving Hill at second. I don't know how much better Clayton will be then McDonald but we'll have to wait and see.

danjulien · 11-30-2006, 01:00 AM

According to Blair, the Jays signed Clayton instead of a more expensive option because they want to go after TWO starting pitchers...

RTT · 11-30-2006, 02:13 AM

I like this signing for Toronto.

danjulien · 11-30-2006, 11:11 AM

I was playing around with my signed free agent database to add the new signings and I found something interesting. All the signings in the past few days were bargains (relatively to this market) and if we can hope that Mr. Clayton returns closer to his 3 year avg VORP, probably not since he should be regressing, the guy is a good bargain...the 3rd best bargain of the off-season when comparing 3 year avg VORP to salary. Zauner is also a dang good signing by JP according to VORP, much better than Barajas would have been.

JNakos · 11-30-2006, 12:35 PM

We should have saved the 1.5M to give to a pitcher - who we REALLY need.

danjulien · 11-30-2006, 12:48 PM

Obviously someone didn't read everything...the reason JP went for a less expensive option is to sign TWO starting pitchers.

TrueBlueJay · 11-30-2006, 09:19 PM

I would rather sign Jason Schmidt and use Janssen or Marcum in the 5 hole than to go with Meche AND Lilly.

Plus we'd save about $5 million

(Schmidt $13M? Lilly + Meche = $18M?)

This rotation:
Doc
AJ
Schmidt
Chacin
Marcum/Janssen

is superior to this one:

Doc
AJ
Lilly
Meche
Chacin

Because Meche = Marcum/Janssen

RickJay · 12-02-2006, 03:04 PM

Couldn't agree more. If Janssen isn't as good as Meche yet, he will be soon, and at a much lower price. He showed remarkable promise last year.

I have this horrible feeling we'll see Casey Janssen go 15-9 in 2008... for the Oakland Athletics, while Blue Jay Gil Meche wins 7 games and collects $12 million for it.

TestSubjekt · 12-02-2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueBlueJay

I would rather sign Jason Schmidt

Schmidt doesn't want to play on the east coast. SI said like a week ago that's why the Yankees aren't bidding on him.

11-29-2006, 06:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
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danjulien Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 20	According to Blair, the Jays signed Clayton instead of a more expensive option because they want to go after TWO starting pitchers... __________________ baseball views from the North

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RTT Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cali Posts: 148	I like this signing for Toronto. __________________ http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...titled-1-3.gif

11-30-2006, 11:11 AM	#9 (permalink)
danjulien Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 20	I was playing around with my signed free agent database to add the new signings and I found something interesting. All the signings in the past few days were bargains (relatively to this market) and if we can hope that Mr. Clayton returns closer to his 3 year avg VORP, probably not since he should be regressing, the guy is a good bargain...the 3rd best bargain of the off-season when comparing 3 year avg VORP to salary. Zauner is also a dang good signing by JP according to VORP, much better than Barajas would have been. __________________ baseball views from the North Last edited by danjulien; 11-30-2006 at 11:14 AM. Reason: link

11-29-2006, 06:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ultimate Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 116	Well, not sure how I want to take this. Clayton obviously can't hit period. Although he does have a good glove. I don't get why we wouldn't just give the job to McDonald and bring in a minor league deal type to be the reserve infielder. Its not much money, but it still is enough money that could be useful in other areas. I guess I can't say I agree with this move, but it atleast shouldn't hurt us too much.

11-29-2006, 06:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	horrible waste of ONLY 1.5M.

11-29-2006, 06:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ultimate Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 116	http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6221264 There is the link for the article from Rosenthal.

11-29-2006, 10:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Noob Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	hmmm...alright signing as far as bandaid moves go. I like leaving Hill at second. I don't know how much better Clayton will be then McDonald but we'll have to wait and see.

11-30-2006, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
JNakos New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1	We should have saved the 1.5M to give to a pitcher - who we REALLY need.

11-30-2006, 12:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
danjulien Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 20	Obviously someone didn't read everything...the reason JP went for a less expensive option is to sign TWO starting pitchers. __________________ baseball views from the North

11-30-2006, 09:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	I would rather sign Jason Schmidt and use Janssen or Marcum in the 5 hole than to go with Meche AND Lilly. Plus we'd save about $5 million (Schmidt $13M? Lilly + Meche = $18M?) This rotation: Doc AJ Schmidt Chacin Marcum/Janssen is superior to this one: Doc AJ Lilly Meche Chacin Because Meche = Marcum/Janssen

12-02-2006, 03:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
RickJay Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 50	Couldn't agree more. If Janssen isn't as good as Meche yet, he will be soon, and at a much lower price. He showed remarkable promise last year. I have this horrible feeling we'll see Casey Janssen go 15-9 in 2008... for the Oakland Athletics, while Blue Jay Gil Meche wins 7 games and collects $12 million for it.