Uh Oh. Meche at Leafs game

TrueBlueJay · November 28th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Must be close to a deal. This is not good news in my opinion. Meche is a mediocre pitcher.

He'll be our 2007 Loaiza.

5.00+ ERA if we sign him, book it. We're better off with Marcum/Janssen and saving the $8 million or whatever it costs.

gojays2007 · November 28th, 2006, 10:28 PM

Must be close to a deal.

Why would you say that?

TrueBlueJay · November 29th, 2006, 04:49 AM

Why would you say that?

why would you ask that? This is exactly what happened last year when we started seeing JP whining and dining guys like BJ and AJ, and then they signed shortly after.

Meche wouldnt be here if he wasnt interested. Its been widely speculated that we are the most likely place he will sign.

1+1 = 2

gojays2007 · November 29th, 2006, 05:56 AM

Lots of teams entertain players. If Meche goes to 4 different cities, he is close to signing with all of them? I wish this were true, Tracy McGrady would be a Chicago Bull cuz he threw out the first pitch at Wrigley while he was a Free Agent.

TrueBlueJay · November 29th, 2006, 06:53 AM

yeah good point, but he's being strongly linked to Toronto as his biggest suitor.

Hopefully I'm overreacting and he goes elsewhere

85Jays · November 29th, 2006, 07:27 AM

Quote:

why would you ask that? This is exactly what happened last year when we started seeing JP whining and dining guys like BJ and AJ, and then they signed shortly after.

It doesn't mean a deal is imminent ... it means they're courting him. Sure, some players who have come up to Toronto have signed with the team. Others have come and have signed elsewhere. Brian Giles comes to mind. So I wouldn't assume a deal is on the way ... only that talks are serious.

Now, why do the Jays like to take players to Leafs games? So they can sit there listening to hockey fans saying "baseball is boring and it sucks"?

gojays2007 · November 29th, 2006, 11:26 AM

Players can enjoy a free night on the town (RC, Raptors/Leafs game/strip club(s)) and use it as leverage for another team to increase their bid as well.

Screw Gil-illy Padilla. Don't big bucks on unfulfilled potential.

Ultimate · November 29th, 2006, 04:32 PM

I know this doesn't mean a deal is imminent, but it does mean we are courting him which to me implies that we do have another 10 Million or so to put towards a pitcher. Its not my money and it certainly wouldn't hurt to see anohter experienced arm in the rotation but IMO its a big waste of money on a starter who I anticipate will have an ERA this year north of 5.00. Lets hope its not too long of a contract if it happens.

gojays2007 · December 2nd, 2006, 05:15 PM

Ohka, Meche, Lilly
Ages: 31, 28, 31

career era/whip
Ohka- 4.04/1.37
meche- 4.65/1.43
Lilly- 4.60/1.37

career IP
ohka 943-meche-815-lilly 936

02-06 era's ohka

3.18,4.16, 3.70, 4.04, 4.82

meche's 03-06 era's

4.59, 5.01, 5.09, 4.48

Lillys 02-06 era's
3.69, 4.34, 4.06, 5.56, 4.31

If you want to pay meche or lilly possibly twice as much as ohka(half season last year), I think that is crazy.

TrueBlueJay · December 2nd, 2006, 05:41 PM

I'd rather have Lilly over Okha just because Lilly usually pitches well against the Yankees, and is downright dominant against the Red Sox.

However, I give me Okha over Meche ANYDAY.

Meche is trash.

I would rather us run with Lilly and Janssen and spend the Meche money on Lugo!

gojays2007 · December 2nd, 2006, 05:49 PM

lilly vs boston:

19g 3.80era 1.35whip

lilly vs NYY

13g 6.09 era 1.56whip

at fenway
4.30/1.37

at yankee stadium
5.03/1.43

career ratio's at roger's center
4.36/1.40

TrueBlueJay · December 2nd, 2006, 06:46 PM

Maybe I was dreaming when it came to the Yanks, I thought he was decent against them last year.

But come on...clearly the Red sox stats must be skewed by some bad outings from several years ago, because the last few seasons he has been downright dominant versus the Red Sox...you have to remember that.

TrueBlueJay · December 2nd, 2006, 06:51 PM

Last 3 years versus Red Sox:

85.1 IP, 3.27 ERA, 82 K's

Pretty nice

gojays2007 · December 3rd, 2006, 06:33 AM

I hardly ever recall a players performance vs an individual team. What was his whip for those 3 years?

TrueBlueJay · December 3rd, 2006, 09:52 AM

Maybe its because I happened to go to a lot of Lilly vs. Boston games.

He threw a shutout with 13 strikeouts a couple of years ago against them at the Rogers Centre.

I just seem to remember Lilly's curveball always giving Ortiz fits!

Anyways, I just remember Lilly doing well against the Red Sox the last few years...

November 28th, 2006, 08:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Uh Oh. Meche at Leafs game Must be close to a deal. This is not good news in my opinion. Meche is a mediocre pitcher. He'll be our 2007 Loaiza. 5.00+ ERA if we sign him, book it. We're better off with Marcum/Janssen and saving the $8 million or whatever it costs.

November 29th, 2006, 04:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Why would you say that? why would you ask that? This is exactly what happened last year when we started seeing JP whining and dining guys like BJ and AJ, and then they signed shortly after. Meche wouldnt be here if he wasnt interested. Its been widely speculated that we are the most likely place he will sign. 1+1 = 2 Last edited by TrueBlueJay; November 29th, 2006 at 05:47 AM.

November 28th, 2006, 10:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Must be close to a deal. Why would you say that?

November 29th, 2006, 05:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Lots of teams entertain players. If Meche goes to 4 different cities, he is close to signing with all of them? I wish this were true, Tracy McGrady would be a Chicago Bull cuz he threw out the first pitch at Wrigley while he was a Free Agent.

November 29th, 2006, 06:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	yeah good point, but he's being strongly linked to Toronto as his biggest suitor. Hopefully I'm overreacting and he goes elsewhere

November 29th, 2006, 11:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Players can enjoy a free night on the town (RC, Raptors/Leafs game/strip club(s)) and use it as leverage for another team to increase their bid as well. Screw Gil-illy Padilla. Don't big bucks on unfulfilled potential.

November 29th, 2006, 04:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ultimate Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 116	I know this doesn't mean a deal is imminent, but it does mean we are courting him which to me implies that we do have another 10 Million or so to put towards a pitcher. Its not my money and it certainly wouldn't hurt to see anohter experienced arm in the rotation but IMO its a big waste of money on a starter who I anticipate will have an ERA this year north of 5.00. Lets hope its not too long of a contract if it happens.

December 2nd, 2006, 05:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Ohka, Meche, Lilly Ages: 31, 28, 31 career era/whip Ohka- 4.04/1.37 meche- 4.65/1.43 Lilly- 4.60/1.37 career IP ohka 943-meche-815-lilly 936 02-06 era's ohka 3.18,4.16, 3.70, 4.04, 4.82 meche's 03-06 era's 4.59, 5.01, 5.09, 4.48 Lillys 02-06 era's 3.69, 4.34, 4.06, 5.56, 4.31 If you want to pay meche or lilly possibly twice as much as ohka(half season last year), I think that is crazy.

December 2nd, 2006, 05:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	I'd rather have Lilly over Okha just because Lilly usually pitches well against the Yankees, and is downright dominant against the Red Sox. However, I give me Okha over Meche ANYDAY. Meche is trash. I would rather us run with Lilly and Janssen and spend the Meche money on Lugo!

December 2nd, 2006, 05:49 PM	#11 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	lilly vs boston: 19g 3.80era 1.35whip lilly vs NYY 13g 6.09 era 1.56whip at fenway 4.30/1.37 at yankee stadium 5.03/1.43 career ratio's at roger's center 4.36/1.40

December 2nd, 2006, 06:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Maybe I was dreaming when it came to the Yanks, I thought he was decent against them last year. But come on...clearly the Red sox stats must be skewed by some bad outings from several years ago, because the last few seasons he has been downright dominant versus the Red Sox...you have to remember that.

December 2nd, 2006, 06:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Last 3 years versus Red Sox: 85.1 IP, 3.27 ERA, 82 K's Pretty nice

December 3rd, 2006, 06:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	I hardly ever recall a players performance vs an individual team. What was his whip for those 3 years?

December 3rd, 2006, 09:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Maybe its because I happened to go to a lot of Lilly vs. Boston games. He threw a shutout with 13 strikeouts a couple of years ago against them at the Rogers Centre. I just seem to remember Lilly's curveball always giving Ortiz fits! Anyways, I just remember Lilly doing well against the Red Sox the last few years...