Fire Both The Coach And Gm

[crashthenet]

The Jays Have To Fire Their Coach And Gm.as They Both Have Made So Many Bad Decisions I Could Not List Them All On This Post.but The Coach Has To Go Now And I Mean Now.he Can't Coach And He Is A Nice Guy But He Can't Coach.and Jp Can Get The Job Done.what Has He Done Since He Has Been The Gm? Signing Vernon Wells But No Pitching Come On Without Pitching You Can't Win.end Of Story
Cheers

[AndrewB]

Please don't type in caps.

[ofhdhdy]

Originally Posted by AndrewB

Please don't type in caps.

He might have been posting from a cell phone because it does that but I don't see why its really a problem......

[AndrewB]

Originally Posted by ofhdhdy

He might have been posting from a cell phone because it does that but I don't see why its really a problem......

I suppose. Still, it's annoying to try to read it. It's like looking at red text on a blue background.

[ctjayfan]

^^^But do you agree or disagree that they should both "Be Fired"?



I think the Manager has made some pretty bad calls this Season...

[AndrewB]

I've never had a problem with the manager. My opinion is that firing the manager will more than likely result in an inferior replacement.

I would be fine if J.P. leaves.

[85Jays]

Originally Posted by ofhdhdy

He might have been posting from a cell phone because it does that but I don't see why its really a problem......

Not to belabour the point, but how badly does someone need to post that they do it from a cell phone? If I ever feel the overwhelming need to use a cell phone to post on a message board, I hope someone shoots me.


Anyway ... you don't fire a GM in May. It serves no purpose to do so. If you fire a GM in May, you're telling the players and the fans that you don't believe the team has any chance to compete this year. If you're going to fire your GM, you do it later in the year (when the new GM can do something at the trade deadline) or in the offseason. Firing a GM now would be an irresponsible, kneejerk reaction, and we don't want an ownership that is that volatile.

Firing the manager ... if we did it it would be because of a losing streak, which the team has rebounded from. I'd wait a while before considering a change of managers.

As much as the media gets on him, and as much as the Hillenbrand and Lilly incidents were talked about last year, he's well-liked by players. Dan Shulman was on the Fan last week and said "I've never heard any player say anything but good things about John Gibbons".

I'm not crazy about the way he handles pitchers ... but firing him is a little premature at this point, in my opinion.

[anne25]

I thinkd it might be a good idea for someone to lose their job. If someone needs to be fired to give this team a kick my choice is the hitting coach. It seems he is unable to devise a way to get the hitters back on track, or they are not listening to him.

[JMUplayer]

What have they done wrong? Ryan tommy john surgery... can't be helped.... Frank thomas = bad signing
Wells to long term = good
burnett = above average
Overbay = above average
Rios = good cheap homegrown talent....

Really the only thing missing is pitching depth.... missed on a couple top guys like mcgowan and the like... mcgowen was the 2nd coming back in 2004/05

[85Jays]

Originally Posted by anne25

I thinkd it might be a good idea for someone to lose their job. If someone needs to be fired to give this team a kick my choice is the hitting coach. It seems he is unable to devise a way to get the hitters back on track, or they are not listening to him.

That, too might be a knee-jerk reaction ... though it is a knee-jerk reaction Ricciardi has employed in the past (and is how Brantley got his job in the first place when Barnett was canned).

Too often we think that the answer to problems in baseball is to fire people -- but problems can be dealt with WITHOUT firing people. Baseball shouldn't be all that much different from the rest of the planet in that regard. If the hitters are struggling, the hitting coach should be working on the problem. He isn't the CAUSE of the problem -- hitting coaches don't do things that make guys start to struggle. If the hitting goes south, the hitting coach is not to blame. The hitting coach is only responsible for working with the players to get them on track again. And there's not always a magic solution -- it's not a matter of saying "open up your stance a little bit" and suddenly a player's on track again. It takes work over time. So I think this is way too early to talk about firing the hitting coach.

At this stage, you want the hitting coach to have had pressure put on him by Gibbons and management ... and I'm sure that's been done. Brantley's done some good work in the past, so he needs to be given an opportunity to continue to do good work.

[gojays2007]

Wells to long term = good

Yes, wells has definitly lived up to his contract thus far...

Typing in caps is the least of this forums problems.

[85Jays]

I was all over the Wells signing at the time, but I was hoping he'd prove me wrong. So far, he's done nothing of the sort.

On the other hand, one of the things I hated about his contract was the opt-out clause. If he doesn't show that signing him to a whopping contract immediately following a career year was a stroke of genius, then he'll have no reason to opt out, so I guess I shouldn't have worried about it. We might still be able to look forward to paying him $20-million+ in a couple of years. Awesome.

[TheGreatGazoo]

Originally Posted by AndrewB

Please don't type in caps.

It's a post....

Something of which is obviously in short supply.

But I'm sure he'll be encouraged to return now.....

[JMUplayer]

Other than Lind the Rays minor league system is pretty weak... maybe a better scouting department would be a better investment.

[Billy]

Nothing is going to happen until Rogers loses his cool and wonders where all his money went.