Blue Jays agree to terms with Okha - Page 2

GNick · February 1st, 2007, 02:10 AM

Out of Thomson, Okha, Towers, Marcum and McGowan odds are one of them will have a good year. That will give us a solid #4 starter. Odds also are one of them will do so-so. Giving us a solid #5 starter.

The other three will be folded up by July but who cares...all 5 together costs less 5 million. A fraction of what we were willing to throw a free agent #4 starter who probably would have done less here anyway.

We get a #4 and #5 starter for half of just the #4

gojays2007 · February 1st, 2007, 07:22 AM

It's ohka, not okah

GNick · February 1st, 2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gojays2007

It's ohka, not okah

Geez...how bad of me...I made a typo

GNick · February 2nd, 2007, 04:27 AM

Jays original plans was to be getting pitching help from the farm by now. But they drafted so poorly in late years it has not been there. That's why so many reclamation projects

RickJay · February 4th, 2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GNick

Out of Thomson, Okha, Towers, Marcum and McGowan odds are one of them will have a good year. That will give us a solid #4 starter. Odds also are one of them will do so-so. Giving us a solid #5 starter.

The risk, though, is that when you have a whole bunch of pitchers to fill two spots, you might start the year with the wrong ones. If, for instance, they start with Okha and Towers and both get hammered, and THEN switch to Marcum and McGowan, you might already have gotten a 2-9 performance from those two guys and put yourself in a hole. And then maybe Marcum was the wrong choice too, so by the time you finally put Janssen in there he's gone 1-5, and now your #4-#5 starters have put you way in the hole. Having six or seven C-level pitchers and maybe-ready prospects isn't a good thing for a team with virtually no room for error if they wanna make the playoffs, because there's an excellent chance you'll pick the wrong guys coming out of spring training.

And let's be honest; Gustavo Chacin is not exactly a guaranteed thing in the #3 spot.

Bjindaho · February 4th, 2007, 02:22 PM

Honestly, a short leash is the way to go.
Josh Towers of last year should NEVER have happened.
And it would be INEXCUSABLE if it were to happen this year.

GNick · February 5th, 2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RickJay

The risk, though, is that when you have a whole bunch of pitchers to fill two spots, you might start the year with the wrong ones. If, for instance, they start with Okha and Towers and both get hammered, and THEN switch to Marcum and McGowan, you might already have gotten a 2-9 performance from those two guys and put yourself in a hole. And then maybe Marcum was the wrong choice too, so by the time you finally put Janssen in there he's gone 1-5, and now your #4-#5 starters have put you way in the hole. Having six or seven C-level pitchers and maybe-ready prospects isn't a good thing for a team with virtually no room for error if they wanna make the playoffs, because there's an excellent chance you'll pick the wrong guys coming out of spring training.

And let's be honest; Gustavo Chacin is not exactly a guaranteed thing in the #3 spot.

That's why they have spring training RickJay. To see who is throwing well

GNick · February 5th, 2007, 05:06 AM

Kind of ironic but I have a sneaky feeling I should be worried more about the front end of the rotation rather than the back end

Bjindaho · February 5th, 2007, 06:35 AM

I'd second that sneaky feeling.
We have depth to cover the back end, but if Roy and AJ go down, we are in trouble. And health issues have been sprouting for this team.

GNick · February 5th, 2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjindaho

I'd second that sneaky feeling.
We have depth to cover the back end, but if Roy and AJ go down, we are in trouble. And health issues have been sprouting for this team.

This is a result of no help from the farm system

RickJay · February 5th, 2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GNick

That's why they have spring training RickJay. To see who is throwing well

You mean like in 2006, when Josh Towers won more games in Spring Training than he did in the first five months of the regular season?

Don't trust ST stats.

GNick · February 6th, 2007, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RickJay

You mean like in 2006, when Josh Towers won more games in Spring Training than he did in the first five months of the regular season?

Don't trust ST stats.

There is always a fluke....that is why JP decided to go with depth this time. Not to be caught short again

GNick · February 13th, 2007, 08:41 AM

Another name has been added to the mix. The Jays signed Pete Walker yesterday. What was the history on him with the Jays? Did he have arm trouble at one time?

85Jays · February 13th, 2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GNick

Another name has been added to the mix. The Jays signed Pete Walker yesterday. What was the history on him with the Jays? Did he have arm trouble at one time?

Yes, his arm fell off last year. He had rotator cuff surgery in mid-season, and it was assumed that, at his age, it would be the end of his career. It's something of a surprise to see him in the mix. I'm doubtful that he has a chance at the rotation. He may be in the bullpen if he's recovered from the injury, but I don't have high hopes.

GNick · February 14th, 2007, 04:34 AM

Is this a sign of how desperate JP is? Signing a 38 year-old coming off arm surgery?

February 4th, 2007, 02:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
Bjindaho Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Saint John, NB Posts: 67	Honestly, a short leash is the way to go. Josh Towers of last year should NEVER have happened. And it would be INEXCUSABLE if it were to happen this year. __________________ God is Dead - Nietzsche Nietzsche is Dead - God Death arises only for those who refute themselves - Me

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Bjindaho Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Saint John, NB Posts: 67	I'd second that sneaky feeling. We have depth to cover the back end, but if Roy and AJ go down, we are in trouble. And health issues have been sprouting for this team. __________________ God is Dead - Nietzsche Nietzsche is Dead - God Death arises only for those who refute themselves - Me

February 1st, 2007, 02:10 AM	#16 (permalink)
GNick Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21	Out of Thomson, Okha, Towers, Marcum and McGowan odds are one of them will have a good year. That will give us a solid #4 starter. Odds also are one of them will do so-so. Giving us a solid #5 starter. The other three will be folded up by July but who cares...all 5 together costs less 5 million. A fraction of what we were willing to throw a free agent #4 starter who probably would have done less here anyway. We get a #4 and #5 starter for half of just the #4

February 1st, 2007, 07:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	It's ohka, not okah

February 2nd, 2007, 04:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
GNick Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21	Jays original plans was to be getting pitching help from the farm by now. But they drafted so poorly in late years it has not been there. That's why so many reclamation projects

February 5th, 2007, 05:06 AM	#23 (permalink)
GNick Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21	Kind of ironic but I have a sneaky feeling I should be worried more about the front end of the rotation rather than the back end

February 13th, 2007, 08:41 AM	#28 (permalink)
GNick Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21	Another name has been added to the mix. The Jays signed Pete Walker yesterday. What was the history on him with the Jays? Did he have arm trouble at one time?

February 14th, 2007, 04:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
GNick Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21	Is this a sign of how desperate JP is? Signing a 38 year-old coming off arm surgery?