Number 3 Starter?

scronnyjohny · 12-12-2006, 05:39 PM

Do you guys have any Pitchers in mind for upgrading the number 3 spot in the Jays rotation.

Guys I thought of:
Brett Myers
Estoban Loaiza
Mark Mulder
Matt Clement
Jake Westbrook
Freddy Garcia
Cole Hamels
Jorge Sosa
John Rheinecker
Scott Proctor (Used to be Starter)
Renyel Pinto
Carl Pavano
Joquin Benoit
Juan Dominguez

Ultimate · 12-12-2006, 05:56 PM

Pavano might be worth a gamble if the Yankees as expected pick up most of his salary. I doubt they would trade him to their top divisiion competitior though.

They definetely won't trade Proctor to us.

Mulder is asking for too much consdiering he is injured.

The others are either unrealistic possibilities, don't find interesting or don't know enough about their situations to comment.

TheShaker99 · 12-13-2006, 08:37 AM

The Jays should get Mulder and Ohka, the latter for filling in until Mulder is ready to go. C'mon JP git r dun!!!!!

TrueBlueJay · 12-13-2006, 01:14 PM

I've always liked Ohka. Ohka and Mulder would be nice

scronnyjohny · 12-15-2006, 05:29 PM

The guy we get better be better than Jannsen.

gojays2007 · 12-15-2006, 05:52 PM

I really wish JP could draft. We could be a powerhouse going into 07.

Not saying this example was JP's fault due to $, but imagine Kazmir instead of adams.

scronnyjohny · 12-15-2006, 09:00 PM

When its all said and done our team's talent level probably needs to be close to this for the Jays to be at a playoff calibre level: Around 97 wins

Rotation
1 Halladay 21 wins 3.30
2 Burnett 17 wins 3.95
3 Myers* 15 wins 4.30
4 Chacin 13 wins 4.45
5 Marcum 12 wins 4.55

Solid Rotation
If we can't signifincantly upgrade the 3rd spot of the Rotation from the Jannsen's or Taubenheim's we might wanna consider Brandon League with the idea that League can be a Ching Ming Wang Jake Westbrook type starter. He's got the stuff and durability and there's a good chance he'd be more productive in a starters role.

Bullpen
1 Ryan 1.95
2 League 3.25
3 Accardo 3.65
4 Romero 4.45
5 Frasor 4.20
6 Jannsen 3.95
7 McGowen/Downs/Taubenheim/Rosario 4.35

Looks solid, adding David Percy sometime during the season would be nice.

Lineup
1 2B Hill 305 15 hr
2 LF Lind 300 20 hr
3 CF Wells 300 35 hr
4 DH Thomas 270 40 hr
5 1B Overbay 305 28 hr
6 3B Glaus 260 40 hr
7 RF Rios 315 33 hr
8 C Zaun 260 17 hr
9 SS Smith 255 12 hr

Nice balanced lineup of Power bats and contact hitters
We'll probably have the best Offense and Defense in the division

Bench
1 C Phillips
2 OF Johnson
3 Inf Clayton
4 Inf Hattig/McDonald

Best bench in Division
Does anyone understand why we have Smith/Clayton/McDonald

TrueBlueJay · 12-16-2006, 10:54 AM

Scronny, if those predictions come true we're winning 100 games.

I love your optimism, but I can't see us not having a SINGLE pitcher with an ERA over 4.55, and while I think Lind, Rios, and Zaun are all capable of the stats you predicted, it would be highly unlikely that more than 1 of those 3 would have a season that good.

I do however, hope you are bang on!

Ultimate · 12-16-2006, 12:05 PM

LOL TrueBluejay I think I said almost the identical thing to your predictions.

scronnyjohny · 12-18-2006, 02:41 PM

Obviously there will be some injuries and off years that are unpredictable.

What I like is that we have very few players with much chance of disapointing and we have loads of depth to make up for it with either a trade or from players within the organization.
We no longer have to stick with an 0-8 starter or a mediocre outfielder or infielder or reliever.

TheShaker99 · 12-20-2006, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scronnyjohny

Obviously there will be some injuries and off years that are unpredictable.

What I like is that we have very few players with much chance of disapointing and we have loads of depth to make up for it with either a trade or from players within the organization.
We no longer have to stick with an 0-8 starter or a mediocre outfielder or infielder or reliever.

No worries lol, the Jays are going to sign Mulder and Ohka/Redman or Suppan and Ohka/Redman!!!!!!!!!!

TrueBlueJay · 12-20-2006, 11:45 PM

Spanky hows your arm feeling? I nominate you as our #3 starter!

TheShaker99 · 12-21-2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueBlueJay

Spanky hows your arm feeling? I nominate you as our #3 starter!

Lmao.....Oh yeah I'm ready to get lit up

gojays2007 · 12-21-2006, 07:22 PM

ha...spanky you are the best! :P

TheShaker99 · 12-31-2006, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gojays2007

ha...spanky you are the best! :P

Again, why are you calling me Spanky? Stop it!!!

12-12-2006, 05:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
scronnyjohny Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 20	Number 3 Starter? Do you guys have any Pitchers in mind for upgrading the number 3 spot in the Jays rotation. Guys I thought of: Brett Myers Estoban Loaiza Mark Mulder Matt Clement Jake Westbrook Freddy Garcia Cole Hamels Jorge Sosa John Rheinecker Scott Proctor (Used to be Starter) Renyel Pinto Carl Pavano Joquin Benoit Juan Dominguez

12-12-2006, 05:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ultimate Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 116	Pavano might be worth a gamble if the Yankees as expected pick up most of his salary. I doubt they would trade him to their top divisiion competitior though. They definetely won't trade Proctor to us. Mulder is asking for too much consdiering he is injured. The others are either unrealistic possibilities, don't find interesting or don't know enough about their situations to comment.

12-13-2006, 08:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
TheShaker99 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 80	The Jays should get Mulder and Ohka, the latter for filling in until Mulder is ready to go. C'mon JP git r dun!!!!!

12-13-2006, 01:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	I've always liked Ohka. Ohka and Mulder would be nice

12-15-2006, 05:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
scronnyjohny Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 20	The guy we get better be better than Jannsen.

12-15-2006, 05:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	I really wish JP could draft. We could be a powerhouse going into 07. Not saying this example was JP's fault due to $, but imagine Kazmir instead of adams.

12-15-2006, 09:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
scronnyjohny Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 20	When its all said and done our team's talent level probably needs to be close to this for the Jays to be at a playoff calibre level: Around 97 wins Rotation 1 Halladay 21 wins 3.30 2 Burnett 17 wins 3.95 3 Myers* 15 wins 4.30 4 Chacin 13 wins 4.45 5 Marcum 12 wins 4.55 Solid Rotation If we can't signifincantly upgrade the 3rd spot of the Rotation from the Jannsen's or Taubenheim's we might wanna consider Brandon League with the idea that League can be a Ching Ming Wang Jake Westbrook type starter. He's got the stuff and durability and there's a good chance he'd be more productive in a starters role. Bullpen 1 Ryan 1.95 2 League 3.25 3 Accardo 3.65 4 Romero 4.45 5 Frasor 4.20 6 Jannsen 3.95 7 McGowen/Downs/Taubenheim/Rosario 4.35 Looks solid, adding David Percy sometime during the season would be nice. Lineup 1 2B Hill 305 15 hr 2 LF Lind 300 20 hr 3 CF Wells 300 35 hr 4 DH Thomas 270 40 hr 5 1B Overbay 305 28 hr 6 3B Glaus 260 40 hr 7 RF Rios 315 33 hr 8 C Zaun 260 17 hr 9 SS Smith 255 12 hr Nice balanced lineup of Power bats and contact hitters We'll probably have the best Offense and Defense in the division Bench 1 C Phillips 2 OF Johnson 3 Inf Clayton 4 Inf Hattig/McDonald Best bench in Division Does anyone understand why we have Smith/Clayton/McDonald

12-16-2006, 10:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Scronny, if those predictions come true we're winning 100 games. I love your optimism, but I can't see us not having a SINGLE pitcher with an ERA over 4.55, and while I think Lind, Rios, and Zaun are all capable of the stats you predicted, it would be highly unlikely that more than 1 of those 3 would have a season that good. I do however, hope you are bang on!

12-16-2006, 12:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ultimate Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 116	LOL TrueBluejay I think I said almost the identical thing to your predictions.

12-18-2006, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
scronnyjohny Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 20	Obviously there will be some injuries and off years that are unpredictable. What I like is that we have very few players with much chance of disapointing and we have loads of depth to make up for it with either a trade or from players within the organization. We no longer have to stick with an 0-8 starter or a mediocre outfielder or infielder or reliever.

12-20-2006, 11:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Spanky hows your arm feeling? I nominate you as our #3 starter!

12-21-2006, 07:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	ha...spanky you are the best! :P