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TrueBlueJay · December 8th, 2006, 01:10 PM

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And Again: For relievers, Where do you rank inherited runners stranded/scored in your system?

do you know how to read? go back a few posts, whippersnapper.

Now please stay on topic.

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 01:28 PM

you really don't like WHIP as a stat do you?

I have said nothing at all to indicate this, all up in your silly little head.

You treat pitchers with differences of 0.18 as if they are essentially the same, when they are not.

Over 60-70 ip, generally a wash

Those "2 extra runners on base per month" could equate to 2 blown saves a month by a reliever.

Sure, if both baserunners hit homeruns.

an inherited runners stranded stat would be a good general stat for a reliever. A player who is great at stranding numbers would also have a great ERA and a great WHIP, wouldn't he?

How many times do we have to go over this before it gets through to you? If a reliever allows an inherited runner to score, it has ZERO EFFECT on his ERA.
The attitude here is that you've completely derailed this thread and wasted a lot of my time. I made a simple point that BJ Ryan had one of the best seasons by a reliever and therefore was worth his contract, and you have continued to go in circles.

No circles really, if your head is spinning because you can't comprehend subject matter, that is a beast within itself.

You have not proven otherwise, and you've wasted an incredible amount of both of your times over nothing. Some of the things you brought up had absolutely nothing to do with the orginal point! It seemed at times like you were just trying to waste my time.

Or, you have yet to comprehend simplistic baseball knowledge. Going with ERA as one of your main criteria there should be little fluxuation from year to year among good relievers. Reality states the opposite.

If you want to debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for.

Guess that was a lie.

I didn't catch your final rankings of the 4 there, what where they?

TrueBlueJay · December 8th, 2006, 01:31 PM

Awww, do you have a little crush on me Gojays2007?

I'm so honoured

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If a reliever allows an inherited runner to score, it has ZERO EFFECT on his ERA.

And if he doesnt allow the runner score, and gets out of the jam, his ERA is lowered. Your point makes no sense as to what we are talking about, as I said that
"A player who is great at stranding numbers would also have a great ERA and a great WHIP, wouldn't he?"

Which is correct, because if he is good at stranding runners then his ERA would affect it, and it would, since he got outs without giving up earned runs. Hence I understand, it is you who does not. The statment you made above is the exact opposite situation, and doesnt apply here.

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Sure, if both baserunners hit homeruns.

No, if both those baserunners hit singles with 2 out and a man in scoring position instead of making the 3rd out, thats 2 more runs that otherwise wouldnt have scored.

Nice try.

Now wipe that egg off your face.

BlueJaysLee · December 8th, 2006, 01:32 PM

Well, after reading the whole argument, gojays likes to twist the argument in his favor by adding criteria. TrueBlueJay stated the criteria and his points are valid and correct. Sorry gojays, you lose!

TrueBlueJay · December 8th, 2006, 01:35 PM

^^ Thank you!

I'm beginning to feel like gojays2007 only reason for being here is to harass me. Its a common theme in his posts in other threads too.

I just want to talk baseball without having someone trying to twist things I say. Whaddya say gojays2007?

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Awww, do you have a little crush on me Gojays2007?

I'm so honoured

uncalled for and inappropriate.

FYI, I didnt even read your above post. I will not be baited furthur.

If you want to debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for.

One of the 50 greatest, sure.
One of the top ten when only taking into consideration 30+ saves, era, and whip...sure

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 01:45 PM

I'm beginning to feel like gojays2007 only reason for being here is to harass me.

If you want to debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for.

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 01:51 PM

Well, after reading the whole argument, gojays likes to twist the argument in his favor by adding criteria. TrueBlueJay stated the criteria and his points are valid and correct. Sorry gojays, you lose!

Whatever, you lost credibility in my eyes years ago and I have little respect for any of your opinions. Sorry, it's the truth.
I'm not "twisting" anything. If saying there is more criteria to judge a "reliever"(as he first said, before then clarifying closer) than era and whip, then I am "twisting" things.
If pointing out that era for relievers is far from the best determination of performance (accepted knowledge), then I am "twisting things"
I would love to hear which of my points aren't "valid and correct"

Still waiting for the ranking of the 06 season by Ryan and the other three seaons listed. Not a very hard exercise especially since he is willing to "debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for"

Escobar · December 8th, 2006, 01:52 PM

It’s going to be along winter, baseball fans do tend to get a little agitated and irritated easily over these months from “baseball withdrawal”. Let’s try not to gnaw too much on each other, save some for the regular season!

TrueBlueJay · December 8th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Hey look its another gojays2007 post.

So it is of your position that BJ's 2006 season is not one of the best by a reliever?

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 02:00 PM

As previously posted:

One of the 50 greatest, sure.
One of the top ten when only taking into consideration 30+ saves, era, and whip...sure

Still waiting for your ranking of those 4 seasons.

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 02:02 PM

And if he doesnt allow the runner score, and gets out of the jam, his ERA is lowered.

And if he allows all three runners to score that were on base and then gets out of the inning, his era is....you guessed it, still zero.

TrueBlueJay · December 8th, 2006, 02:04 PM

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As previously posted:

One of the 50 greatest, sure.
One of the top ten when only taking into consideration 30+ saves, era, and whip...sure

Thanks. I was correct then, because thats about where I had him. Top 20 greatest seasons by a reliever, and about #10 by a closer.

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Still waiting for your ranking of those 4 seasons.

No you arent I gave them to you a while back.

I told you, if you pro-rate BJ's stats to 130 IP, then BJ has the better #'s.

The other pitchers? I ranked the middle one slightly ahead of the other 2, who have almost identical stats.

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 02:10 PM

You can't pro-rate the seasons, they are what they are. BJ didn't pitch those extra 60+ ip and while he may have put up stellar numbers, you can't assume them.

You therefore pick group 2 season number 2 over 1 and 3(not sure which order though), and where does BJ's 06 season go?

gojays2007 · December 8th, 2006, 02:11 PM

Alou also had the same season as Glaus last year if not better because if you prorate his stats he had a .900ops with maybe 40 hrs.

December 8th, 2006, 01:35 PM	#65 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	^^ Thank you! I'm beginning to feel like gojays2007 only reason for being here is to harass me. Its a common theme in his posts in other threads too. I just want to talk baseball without having someone trying to twist things I say. Whaddya say gojays2007? Last edited by TrueBlueJay; December 8th, 2006 at 01:43 PM.

December 8th, 2006, 01:28 PM	#62 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	you really don't like WHIP as a stat do you? I have said nothing at all to indicate this, all up in your silly little head. You treat pitchers with differences of 0.18 as if they are essentially the same, when they are not. Over 60-70 ip, generally a wash Those "2 extra runners on base per month" could equate to 2 blown saves a month by a reliever. Sure, if both baserunners hit homeruns. an inherited runners stranded stat would be a good general stat for a reliever. A player who is great at stranding numbers would also have a great ERA and a great WHIP, wouldn't he? How many times do we have to go over this before it gets through to you? If a reliever allows an inherited runner to score, it has ZERO EFFECT on his ERA. The attitude here is that you've completely derailed this thread and wasted a lot of my time. I made a simple point that BJ Ryan had one of the best seasons by a reliever and therefore was worth his contract, and you have continued to go in circles. No circles really, if your head is spinning because you can't comprehend subject matter, that is a beast within itself. You have not proven otherwise, and you've wasted an incredible amount of both of your times over nothing. Some of the things you brought up had absolutely nothing to do with the orginal point! It seemed at times like you were just trying to waste my time. Or, you have yet to comprehend simplistic baseball knowledge. Going with ERA as one of your main criteria there should be little fluxuation from year to year among good relievers. Reality states the opposite. If you want to debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for. Guess that was a lie. I didn't catch your final rankings of the 4 there, what where they?

December 8th, 2006, 01:32 PM	#64 (permalink)
BlueJaysLee New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4	Well, after reading the whole argument, gojays likes to twist the argument in his favor by adding criteria. TrueBlueJay stated the criteria and his points are valid and correct. Sorry gojays, you lose!

December 8th, 2006, 01:43 PM	#66 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Awww, do you have a little crush on me Gojays2007? I'm so honoured uncalled for and inappropriate. FYI, I didnt even read your above post. I will not be baited furthur. If you want to debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for. One of the 50 greatest, sure. One of the top ten when only taking into consideration 30+ saves, era, and whip...sure

December 8th, 2006, 01:45 PM	#67 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	I'm beginning to feel like gojays2007 only reason for being here is to harass me. If you want to debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for.

December 8th, 2006, 01:51 PM	#68 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Well, after reading the whole argument, gojays likes to twist the argument in his favor by adding criteria. TrueBlueJay stated the criteria and his points are valid and correct. Sorry gojays, you lose! Whatever, you lost credibility in my eyes years ago and I have little respect for any of your opinions. Sorry, it's the truth. I'm not "twisting" anything. If saying there is more criteria to judge a "reliever"(as he first said, before then clarifying closer) than era and whip, then I am "twisting" things. If pointing out that era for relievers is far from the best determination of performance (accepted knowledge), then I am "twisting things" I would love to hear which of my points aren't "valid and correct" Still waiting for the ranking of the 06 season by Ryan and the other three seaons listed. Not a very hard exercise especially since he is willing to "debate whether or not BJ Ryan's 2006 season is one of the greatest by a reliever, fine, thats what this forum is for"

December 8th, 2006, 01:52 PM	#69 (permalink)
Escobar Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13	It’s going to be along winter, baseball fans do tend to get a little agitated and irritated easily over these months from “baseball withdrawal”. Let’s try not to gnaw too much on each other, save some for the regular season!

December 8th, 2006, 01:52 PM	#70 (permalink)
TrueBlueJay Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 174	Hey look its another gojays2007 post. So it is of your position that BJ's 2006 season is not one of the best by a reliever?

December 8th, 2006, 02:00 PM	#71 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	As previously posted: One of the 50 greatest, sure. One of the top ten when only taking into consideration 30+ saves, era, and whip...sure Still waiting for your ranking of those 4 seasons.

December 8th, 2006, 02:02 PM	#72 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	And if he doesnt allow the runner score, and gets out of the jam, his ERA is lowered. And if he allows all three runners to score that were on base and then gets out of the inning, his era is....you guessed it, still zero.

December 8th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#74 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	You can't pro-rate the seasons, they are what they are. BJ didn't pitch those extra 60+ ip and while he may have put up stellar numbers, you can't assume them. You therefore pick group 2 season number 2 over 1 and 3(not sure which order though), and where does BJ's 06 season go?

December 8th, 2006, 02:11 PM	#75 (permalink)
gojays2007 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 177	Alou also had the same season as Glaus last year if not better because if you prorate his stats he had a .900ops with maybe 40 hrs.