Trade Deadline Thread - Page 2

Wiggen · July 22nd, 2007, 09:55 AM

Exactly!

Man, this continual agreement with Goose has got me scared!

bedir than average · July 22nd, 2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Goose

Because Morris isn't a big enough upgrade at the price we'd be paying him. Not to mention he'd be yet another albatross on the 2008 club.

The dollars don't matter, unless you care how much profit the owners take home at the end of the year. If you dont' think that the onfield performance would improve that I could see, but really you care more about ownership profits than making the playoffs?

bedir than average · July 22nd, 2007, 11:47 AM

Paulie: Only 1 untouchable :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: White Sox

Mariners are scouting Jose Contreras and Jermaine Dye.

Dye seems redundant as the club already has a less good version of him in Guillen. No Dye without a Guillen move.

Contreras seems even less useful to me than Morris, as Contreras wouldn't get the "hitters havent' seen him recently" bump.

Wiggen · July 22nd, 2007, 12:26 PM

Neither of those guys make any sense, which is why I think they're a possibility. Bavasi sometimes just scares me.

Wiggen · July 22nd, 2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiggen

Just exactly the kind of deal the Mariners don't want to make. i'm not sure how Matt Morris gains us anything.

I'm actually of the opinion that we could use more offense - specifically some left handed power, since with the apparent demise of Raul Ibanez we have none. Which is one of the reasons we fare so much better against left handed pitching.

I don't know if there's any decent left handed bats available - my guess is probably not. Which is why it won't break my heart if we do nothing. I'd rather do nothing than make a bad trade. We've had more than our share of them.

Regarding the last two games in Toronto, I rest my case. This is not a good offensive team.

bedir than average · July 22nd, 2007, 01:17 PM

Best three lefthanded bats that are available are Adam Dunn, Mark Teixiera and Ken Griffey Jr. (links to FanHome Baseball Rumors on subject, Teix mentioned earlier in this thread)

The good news on all three is that they are all under some form of club control for next year.

The good news concerning today's shutout is that none of the playoff clubs have a Halladay or Santana, the bad news is that the Mariners need to perform against that level of competition or they won't make it.

Wiggen · July 22nd, 2007, 01:57 PM

Yeah, but a lot of them have kids like the one that pitched yesterday for Toronto.

Halladay, by the way, has an ERA in the mid-fours.

bedir than average · July 22nd, 2007, 02:11 PM

Halladay had a rough season that had an appendictomy early I believe.

Goose · July 22nd, 2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bedir than average

The dollars don't matter, unless you care how much profit the owners take home at the end of the year. If you dont' think that the onfield performance would improve that I could see, but really you care more about ownership profits than making the playoffs?

No, but I care about the Mariners making smart moves.

I also know how this club thinks.If Morris blows for the rest of the year, or blows next year, or both, they will not dump him because he's making a lot of money.

Raul Ibanez continues to play everday. Why? Because he's making a good deal of money. Jose Vidro is the same thing. Richie Sexson as well. Even though it has worked out so far, Jeff Weaver can be added to that as well.

And yeah, like Wiggen said, we need another bat as well it seems. Calling up Jones and having him be Ibanez's permanent replacement is a start. Have Brouusard play everyday at first base would also help matters. But we still have holes at shortstop, 2nd base, and DH.

I can feel this team slipping away. If they don't do something very very soon, they are going to fall out of this race.

bedir than average · July 22nd, 2007, 08:46 PM

I have to ask, but is this offense now bad enough that some who didn't want Griffey (last 28 days 284/433/527/960) during hype week, would want him now?

Also, what if a deal for Matt Morris was Sexson+Saunders for Morris, no cash either way?

phredmojo · July 22nd, 2007, 10:47 PM

griffey's bat? sure. griffey? no. that being said he'll be in seattle in the next 9 days, i just have a feeling

Wiggen · July 22nd, 2007, 11:07 PM

Bedir - I'd take Griffey in a heartbeat. I'd also go along with Goose's suggestion regarding Jones, although I think the expectations for him from some are unreasonable. I'd also get Richie Sexson out of the lineup. Broussard would be my first baseman against right-handed pitching, at least.

I do not think Griffey will be here, unless Cincy agrees to do something really stupid, like take Sexson's contract on. We just can't afford him.

phredmojo · July 22nd, 2007, 11:15 PM

griffey's remaining salary due for this year is about 3 million (rest is deferred) and only 6 next year with rest deferred. with ichiro deferring 5 million a year the next 5 years, they can afford him without dealing away any salary.

Goose · July 23rd, 2007, 01:38 AM

Just for the record, I don't think Jones is going to come up and have a Ryan Braun type impact on this team. There is a possibility he could do that, but I don't honestly think he will.

What I expect out of Jones for the rest on the season if he comes up is above average defense and something along the lines of .270/.330/.430. But even that is miles above what Ibanez is giving us right now.

bedir than average · July 25th, 2007, 06:49 PM

On KOMO word is that Ron Washington is 90% certain that Mark Teixiera will be dealt in the next week.

July 22nd, 2007, 11:47 AM	#18 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Paulie: Only 1 untouchable :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: White Sox Mariners are scouting Jose Contreras and Jermaine Dye. Dye seems redundant as the club already has a less good version of him in Guillen. No Dye without a Guillen move. Contreras seems even less useful to me than Morris, as Contreras wouldn't get the "hitters havent' seen him recently" bump. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

July 22nd, 2007, 01:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Best three lefthanded bats that are available are Adam Dunn, Mark Teixiera and Ken Griffey Jr. (links to FanHome Baseball Rumors on subject, Teix mentioned earlier in this thread) The good news on all three is that they are all under some form of club control for next year. The good news concerning today's shutout is that none of the playoff clubs have a Halladay or Santana, the bad news is that the Mariners need to perform against that level of competition or they won't make it. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

July 22nd, 2007, 02:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Halladay had a rough season that had an appendictomy early I believe. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

July 22nd, 2007, 08:46 PM	#25 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	I have to ask, but is this offense now bad enough that some who didn't want Griffey (last 28 days 284/433/527/960) during hype week, would want him now? Also, what if a deal for Matt Morris was Sexson+Saunders for Morris, no cash either way? __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

July 23rd, 2007, 01:38 AM	#29 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Just for the record, I don't think Jones is going to come up and have a Ryan Braun type impact on this team. There is a possibility he could do that, but I don't honestly think he will. What I expect out of Jones for the rest on the season if he comes up is above average defense and something along the lines of .270/.330/.430. But even that is miles above what Ibanez is giving us right now. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

July 22nd, 2007, 09:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,286	Exactly! Man, this continual agreement with Goose has got me scared!

July 22nd, 2007, 12:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,286	Neither of those guys make any sense, which is why I think they're a possibility. Bavasi sometimes just scares me.

July 22nd, 2007, 01:57 PM	#22 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,286	Yeah, but a lot of them have kids like the one that pitched yesterday for Toronto. Halladay, by the way, has an ERA in the mid-fours.

July 22nd, 2007, 10:47 PM	#26 (permalink)
phredmojo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: bellingham, wa Posts: 88	griffey's bat? sure. griffey? no. that being said he'll be in seattle in the next 9 days, i just have a feeling

July 22nd, 2007, 11:07 PM	#27 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,286	Bedir - I'd take Griffey in a heartbeat. I'd also go along with Goose's suggestion regarding Jones, although I think the expectations for him from some are unreasonable. I'd also get Richie Sexson out of the lineup. Broussard would be my first baseman against right-handed pitching, at least. I do not think Griffey will be here, unless Cincy agrees to do something really stupid, like take Sexson's contract on. We just can't afford him.

July 22nd, 2007, 11:15 PM	#28 (permalink)
phredmojo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: bellingham, wa Posts: 88	griffey's remaining salary due for this year is about 3 million (rest is deferred) and only 6 next year with rest deferred. with ichiro deferring 5 million a year the next 5 years, they can afford him without dealing away any salary.

July 25th, 2007, 06:49 PM	#30 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	On KOMO word is that Ron Washington is 90% certain that Mark Teixiera will be dealt in the next week. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.