A Bedir Plan for 2007 - Page 4

JasonAChurchill · November 23rd, 2006, 06:14 PM

He's not horrible, or he wouldnt have posted decent numbers in any ballpark last year.

He isn't the answer, but neither is Crisp. What has Crisp ever done that gives the M's what they lack?

What the M's lack offensively isn't even in Crisp's skillset... it's just not. He's making 5 mil a year guaranteed thru 2008 and will cost something more than a hrow away in trade to get him. The Mariners are so much better off looking for a legit option for run production. That isn't what Crisp does, he's never done it and there is no reason to believe he ever will.

Willie Bloomquist is a horrible baseball player. Why? Because the single most valuable thing a non-pitcher can do is create runs, and he doesn't do it. Does Crisp? Nope. Never has, and it's ridiculous to think he ever will.

But Broussard at least has a chance to be a servicable lefty bat hitting 6th or 7th in an otherwise decent lineup.

NOTE: I wouldn't bring back Broussard, either. He's due 4+ mil in arby and can't hit lefthanders. There's no room here for that unless there's a little bit of defensive value there, and there isn;t much with Ben if he has to be taken out of the game when lefties are summoned in.

But again, Ben isn't the answer, either. He's just a better option than Crisp in the M's lineup. His terrible .709 OPS at the SAFE was still better than Crisps last year.

If you guys want Crisp in left field for the M's every night and believe he gives the club a better chance to win just because he's so much better defensively, than I can't further contribute to the conversation, because I don't like anything Crisp does... I even think his defense is overrated.

The offensive questions in Seattle are much greater than the need for a plus defensive left fielder. Think about that.

Dellucci-Cruz>Crisp... and damn near as cheap.

RotatorCuff · November 23rd, 2006, 06:30 PM

Broussard is brutal defensively and we all know his limitations offensively.

Goose · November 23rd, 2006, 08:17 PM

Man RC did Broussard kick your dog and have his way with your sister?

He's not a real good player by any means, but I wouldn't call a player with an .815 OPS as horrible, horrible.

RotatorCuff · November 23rd, 2006, 09:21 PM

I've seen him play many games in an Indian uniform and the Indians were thrilled that we gave them Choo (whose ceiling is unknown) for Broussard.

Slica · November 23rd, 2006, 10:42 PM

Wow, lol.

You'd think Chippy was here for a second there. : D

Seriously though, are the Mariners even THAT interested in Crisp? Is it worth giving up something ridiculous to get a guy who would barely help us in terms of an upgrade? You know how Boston is...they will cry until we give up Adam Jones and Jeff Clement for someone we want. (Ok, not that much...but you get my point).

Goose · November 24th, 2006, 12:02 AM

I don't honestly think they are interested in him at all.

And don't even say Chippy's name. I'll tell you one thing, I will not put up with his crap here like I did over there if he shows up.

The Iceman Cometh · November 24th, 2006, 11:29 AM

I'll second that notion.

I'll go another year with Broussard before I trade anything for a player like Crisp. I'd love to see a trade though... for a starter.

RotatorCuff · November 24th, 2006, 02:34 PM

Slica · November 24th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotatorCuff

There's another poster from the old boards who I hope doesn't show up here either.

I won't mention his name but Chris (2Quarters) knows who I'm talking about.

Anyway they can be directed here without actually searching for it? I dont see any mention of this place on the old one.

Goose · November 24th, 2006, 07:32 PM

Other people could tell them about it.

Anyways, let's get back on topic guys.(yeah I know, I started it)

bedir than average · November 25th, 2006, 09:06 AM

Jason, I compared three averages for Crisp and Broussard. I have not presented Crisp as a 3-6 hitter. He's a 2 or 7. Broussard is a 6-8, depending on which of the last three season parts you think he is most like.

And you are right Delucci+Cruz is better than Crisp.

I have never stated that the Mariners Front Office is interested in Crisp, only that I think they should be.

RotatorCuff · December 6th, 2006, 08:14 PM

[quote=JasonAChurchill;1959]People around the league seem to think Schmidt is a slam dunk to sign in Seattle as long as the offer is competitive...

How shocking that you were wrong. I had already ordered my authentic Schmidt jersey so that I'd have it in time for Christmas.

November 23rd, 2006, 06:14 PM	#46 (permalink)
JasonAChurchill Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 154	He's not horrible, or he wouldnt have posted decent numbers in any ballpark last year. He isn't the answer, but neither is Crisp. What has Crisp ever done that gives the M's what they lack? What the M's lack offensively isn't even in Crisp's skillset... it's just not. He's making 5 mil a year guaranteed thru 2008 and will cost something more than a hrow away in trade to get him. The Mariners are so much better off looking for a legit option for run production. That isn't what Crisp does, he's never done it and there is no reason to believe he ever will. Willie Bloomquist is a horrible baseball player. Why? Because the single most valuable thing a non-pitcher can do is create runs, and he doesn't do it. Does Crisp? Nope. Never has, and it's ridiculous to think he ever will. But Broussard at least has a chance to be a servicable lefty bat hitting 6th or 7th in an otherwise decent lineup. NOTE: I wouldn't bring back Broussard, either. He's due 4+ mil in arby and can't hit lefthanders. There's no room here for that unless there's a little bit of defensive value there, and there isn;t much with Ben if he has to be taken out of the game when lefties are summoned in. But again, Ben isn't the answer, either. He's just a better option than Crisp in the M's lineup. His terrible .709 OPS at the SAFE was still better than Crisps last year. If you guys want Crisp in left field for the M's every night and believe he gives the club a better chance to win just because he's so much better defensively, than I can't further contribute to the conversation, because I don't like anything Crisp does... I even think his defense is overrated. The offensive questions in Seattle are much greater than the need for a plus defensive left fielder. Think about that. Dellucci-Cruz>Crisp... and damn near as cheap. Last edited by JasonAChurchill; November 23rd, 2006 at 06:17 PM.

November 23rd, 2006, 06:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	Broussard is brutal defensively and we all know his limitations offensively. Last edited by RotatorCuff; December 3rd, 2006 at 09:22 AM.

November 23rd, 2006, 08:17 PM	#48 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Man RC did Broussard kick your dog and have his way with your sister? He's not a real good player by any means, but I wouldn't call a player with an .815 OPS as horrible, horrible. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

November 23rd, 2006, 09:21 PM	#49 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	I've seen him play many games in an Indian uniform and the Indians were thrilled that we gave them Choo (whose ceiling is unknown) for Broussard. Last edited by RotatorCuff; December 3rd, 2006 at 09:23 AM.

November 24th, 2006, 12:02 AM	#51 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	I don't honestly think they are interested in him at all. And don't even say Chippy's name. I'll tell you one thing, I will not put up with his crap here like I did over there if he shows up. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

November 23rd, 2006, 10:42 PM	#50 (permalink)
Slica Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 168	Wow, lol. You'd think Chippy was here for a second there. : D Seriously though, are the Mariners even THAT interested in Crisp? Is it worth giving up something ridiculous to get a guy who would barely help us in terms of an upgrade? You know how Boston is...they will cry until we give up Adam Jones and Jeff Clement for someone we want. (Ok, not that much...but you get my point).

November 24th, 2006, 11:29 AM	#52 (permalink)
The Iceman Cometh Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 176	I'll second that notion. I'll go another year with Broussard before I trade anything for a player like Crisp. I'd love to see a trade though... for a starter.

November 24th, 2006, 02:34 PM	#53 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	the Last edited by RotatorCuff; December 1st, 2006 at 06:48 PM.

November 24th, 2006, 07:32 PM	#55 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Other people could tell them about it. Anyways, let's get back on topic guys.(yeah I know, I started it) __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

November 25th, 2006, 09:06 AM	#56 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Jason, I compared three averages for Crisp and Broussard. I have not presented Crisp as a 3-6 hitter. He's a 2 or 7. Broussard is a 6-8, depending on which of the last three season parts you think he is most like. And you are right Delucci+Cruz is better than Crisp. I have never stated that the Mariners Front Office is interested in Crisp, only that I think they should be. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

December 6th, 2006, 08:14 PM	#57 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	[quote=JasonAChurchill;1959]People around the league seem to think Schmidt is a slam dunk to sign in Seattle as long as the offer is competitive... How shocking that you were wrong. I had already ordered my authentic Schmidt jersey so that I'd have it in time for Christmas.