Spend $34M for mediocrity - Page 2

RotatorCuff · January 29th, 2007, 08:08 PM

Well, I'm grateful that you included me in that group.

It will great once the season starts and we can start talkin' about some real games.

Goose · January 29th, 2007, 08:19 PM

Yeah, it's a little slow going at the moment, but this place will really pick up once ST starts I think.

RotatorCuff · January 29th, 2007, 08:41 PM

I hope so too. I haven't made a post at Scout since the return of Fanhome.

I like the format here and I like the posters who have joined so far.

Inside Pitch · January 29th, 2007, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose

Heh, there's a reason we only sent out PM's and E-Mails to a select group.

If that's true how the heck did I get an invite?

=)

Goose · January 29th, 2007, 11:16 PM

Heh, everybody makes mistakes.

hot rod · January 30th, 2007, 04:27 AM

jason....we didn't offer full price to Zito. We offered $99M after Texas had offered over $100M to him weeks before.

I thought this discussion was about this year. Although I don't consider Sexson 1st tier but we did pay list price maybe more. Beltre was a 1st tier player at the time and was paid what we thought he was worth. The juice business wasn't understood and I agreed with the acquistion. Certainly, wish he was back on roids.

IMO....the only 1st tier player we have is Ichiro. His payroll has been very fair.

Goose · January 30th, 2007, 05:40 AM

I don't really think Beltre was on roids.....

And I would argue that $99M is full price for Zito. There is a difference between full price and crazy money.

hot rod · January 30th, 2007, 09:28 AM

Goose....with all due respect----Beltre had a contract year that was awsome compared to every other year. I guess its possible to have a dinger exposion but doubt it. Sorta happened like Boone's contract year. He was taking something or dang lucky. I don't think someone can hit 50+ dingers with luck.

If you are dealing for players I think you have to offer at least the same as others to persuade a player your way especially a cellar dweller. So my feeling is that if you offer a lower amount there was another reason to get involved other than acquiring the player. I think Billy wants the FO and fans think hes is in the mix-IMO.

Wiggen · January 30th, 2007, 09:29 AM

Regarding people being here by invitation - anybody remember the old Groucho Marx line where he said he wouldn't belong to any club that would have somebody like him as a member?

hot rod · January 30th, 2007, 11:05 AM

Well my bet is that the Grocho Marx brothers could pick better baseball players than Billy and his group. At least we would laugh instead of cry.

Timberwolf · January 30th, 2007, 11:26 AM

The last time i went into a baseball season with such low expectations was the Liquid Plummer year (1992). We went through two horrible seasons and finally developed a solid young core and now we have just gone through the offseason from hell, where they spent a lot of money on mediocre or over the hill old players. We don't have a playoff caliber team and we are further away from having a playoff team in 2008 than we would have been if they had just kept the team we had at the end of last year together., (not that I miss Gil Meche and Joel Pineiro for what they are getting paid).

January 29th, 2007, 08:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
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January 29th, 2007, 11:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Heh, everybody makes mistakes. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

January 30th, 2007, 05:40 AM	#22 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	I don't really think Beltre was on roids..... And I would argue that $99M is full price for Zito. There is a difference between full price and crazy money. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png Last edited by Goose; January 30th, 2007 at 05:44 AM.

January 29th, 2007, 08:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	Well, I'm grateful that you included me in that group. It will great once the season starts and we can start talkin' about some real games.

January 29th, 2007, 08:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	I hope so too. I haven't made a post at Scout since the return of Fanhome. I like the format here and I like the posters who have joined so far.

January 30th, 2007, 04:27 AM	#21 (permalink)
hot rod Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: covington Posts: 42	jason....we didn't offer full price to Zito. We offered $99M after Texas had offered over $100M to him weeks before. I thought this discussion was about this year. Although I don't consider Sexson 1st tier but we did pay list price maybe more. Beltre was a 1st tier player at the time and was paid what we thought he was worth. The juice business wasn't understood and I agreed with the acquistion. Certainly, wish he was back on roids. IMO....the only 1st tier player we have is Ichiro. His payroll has been very fair.

January 30th, 2007, 09:28 AM	#23 (permalink)
hot rod Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: covington Posts: 42	Goose....with all due respect----Beltre had a contract year that was awsome compared to every other year. I guess its possible to have a dinger exposion but doubt it. Sorta happened like Boone's contract year. He was taking something or dang lucky. I don't think someone can hit 50+ dingers with luck. If you are dealing for players I think you have to offer at least the same as others to persuade a player your way especially a cellar dweller. So my feeling is that if you offer a lower amount there was another reason to get involved other than acquiring the player. I think Billy wants the FO and fans think hes is in the mix-IMO.

January 30th, 2007, 09:29 AM	#24 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,286	Regarding people being here by invitation - anybody remember the old Groucho Marx line where he said he wouldn't belong to any club that would have somebody like him as a member?

January 30th, 2007, 11:05 AM	#25 (permalink)
hot rod Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: covington Posts: 42	Well my bet is that the Grocho Marx brothers could pick better baseball players than Billy and his group. At least we would laugh instead of cry.

January 30th, 2007, 11:26 AM	#26 (permalink)
Timberwolf Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,865	The last time i went into a baseball season with such low expectations was the Liquid Plummer year (1992). We went through two horrible seasons and finally developed a solid young core and now we have just gone through the offseason from hell, where they spent a lot of money on mediocre or over the hill old players. We don't have a playoff caliber team and we are further away from having a playoff team in 2008 than we would have been if they had just kept the team we had at the end of last year together., (not that I miss Gil Meche and Joel Pineiro for what they are getting paid).