Mariners front-runners to sign Jeff Weaver

[mets2k]

The Mariners have emerged as the front-runners to sign Jeff Weaver, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports.

He could be both better and cheaper than Miguel Batista, and he makes a lot of sense in Safeco Field. Although he's not sure whether the two sides are working on a one-year deal or something more long-term, Rosenthal believes something could get done tonight. The addition of Weaver would leave no room for Cha Seung Baek or Jake Woods in Seattle's rotation.

Source: FOXSports.com

[Top Cat]

To get excited about Jeff Weaver is...well...not rational.

One time in his entire career he's won more games than he's lost. That's right. ONCE.

Ho hum, yet another rag arm.

Send me his little brother...then you have really have something to get excited about

[thr33niL]

But Weaver doesn't have a long and distinguished injury history.

No way can he be considered after not meeting the first criteria for all Seattle FA signees.

Watch him roll into Seattle with a 3 year/20 mil + deal. Good Grief.

[bedir than average]

TopCat, did you really just use W/L to judge a pitcher? You are so much better than that. The team is better with Weaver on it in 2007 than not. That's a certainity. Does that mean an 82 win club becomes an 85? maybe. Is that good enough? No.

Is it better than being last in the AL West again? Yes.

As long as Weaver doesn't get a three year deal I'll be happy. Which means I expect to hear that he signs a four year deal.

[dawgncarolina]

The team is better with Weaver on it in 2007 than not. That's a certainity.

Okay I'll bite.

Why?

[bedir than average]

Because he's not Jake Woods or Cha Sueng Baek

Weaver Marcel's at 6.2/2.5/1.4

Baek at 6.2/3.2/1.2

Woods at 6.2/3.8/1.2

Considering SafeCo damages a majority of hitters chances to homer, Weaver fits the park better as his HR/9 is slightly higher, but his BB/9 is significantly lower. So I think due to the park Weaver is more likely to succeed in putting up 170+ innings of average pitching than Baek or Woods are.

[Goose]

I like Weaver better than Baek or Woods as well.

However, I don't want him on a multi year deal either. Furthermore I don't want him on an expensive 1 year deal, like what he got from Anaheim.

The cards were talking with him about a 2 year deal, and if he's willing to go with us instead of the world champions, then I'm a little scared of how much we bested the Cards offer by.

[dawgncarolina]

Originally Posted by Goose

I like Weaver better than Baek or Woods as well.

However, I don't want him on a multi year deal either. Furthermore I don't want him on an expensive 1 year deal, like what he got from Anaheim.

The cards were talking with him about a 2 year deal, and if he's willing to go with us instead of the world champions, then I'm a little scared of how much we bested the Cards offer by.

The winner's curse.

[RotatorCuff]

I'll take him on a 1 year deal. Anything more would be insane. It would be nice if Bill Bavasi didn't totally **** things up for the guy who will take his place next season.

[Goose]

Send me his little brother...then you have really have something to get excited about

Heh, his little brother isn't going to be much better than him in 5-6 years IMO. Jered Weaver is highly overrated. He's in for a very very rude awakening in 2007. The AL is going to catch up to his deception soon enough. That, along with him being one of the most extreme flyball pitchers in the game is going to bite him hard.

Though he does have excellent control.

[bedir than average]

Rosenthal was just on with Gas on KJR and said that the team has the offer set up so that Weaver can choose either one or two years. It sounded to Rosenthal that Jeff would go with the one year deal to re-establish himself, and that the decision might even be made tonight.

[Goose]

Please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, please choose one year, ect.

[Top Cat]

TopCat, did you really just use W/L to judge a pitcher? You are so much better than that. The team is better with Weaver on it in 2007 than not. That's a certainity. Does that mean an 82 win club becomes an 85? maybe. Is that good enough? No.

first of all, W/L isn't a good stat, I'll give you that. However, when you're in the league for 8 years and have had one winning year, there's something to it. All the other horrible stats and his penchant for sucking when it counts most.

And try to remember, this is the same pitcher, who on a team that went 101-61,(skankees) lost 15 games while winning only 3. They wanted his scalp.

OK nevermind he's unlucky. Let's look at relevant data.

Last year Versus Lefties.
AVG .340 OBP.396 SLG.609 OPS1.005

Last 3 years versus lefties

Avg. 308 OBP.371 SLG .526 OPS .89



Just what we DON'T need at Safeco.

Honestly he feels like Aaron Sele Redeux...color me bored.

[Goose]

You sure your looking at the right pitcher TC? He went 7-9 on that 2003 club. And 5-3 on the 2002 club(in 78 innings).

I'd be curious to see what kind of run support he got in those 9 losses.

Actually, since it didn't take me that long to find, let's take a look at each of those 9 losses. Let's see which ones where his fault.

1.4 IP, 9 runs(7 earned). Obviously his fault.
2.8.2 IP, 6 runs. 5 of which came in that 8th. Yanks only scored 2. Sounds more like Torre's fault for not pulling him when he was struggling in the 8th, likely from fatigue. Also, the Yanks could of scored more.
3.5 IP, 5 runs(4 earned). Yanks only scored 3, but thats not a good performance. His fault.
4.7 IP, 3 runs. Yanks only scored 2. Their fault.
5.6.1 IP, 5 runs. Yanks were shutout. But thats not a good performance. His fault.
6.5 IP, 6 runs. His fault.
7.8.2 IP, 4 runs. 2 of which came in the 8th. Yanks were shutout. Their fault(and likely Torre's for not pulling him in the 8th).
8.4.1 IP, 5 runs. Yanks were shutout. His fault.
9.6.1 IP, 9 runs. Holy crap, thats Pineiro like. His fault.

Ok so a majority of those were his fault. But you could argue that at least 3 of those should of been wins.

[bedir than average]

U.S.S. Mariner » Jeff Weaver - Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion

Here's the conclusion

On a one year deal, a durable guy who has shown an ability to eat innings and avoid the disabled list and projects to post an ERA south of 5.00 is a pretty nice pickup. Jeff Weaver is not the kind of arm you want to be committing to for multiple years, but he’s a decent innings sponge, and since Safeco is rather pitcher friendly, it’s a good spot for him to come attempt to rebuild his image.

If you asked me if I’d rather have Jeff Weaver or Gil Meche for 2007, I’d probably flip a coin. They’re both flyball ptichers with question marks about their mental preparation who have a mixed bag of historical performances. Gil Meche got $55 million for 5 years. In this market, a one year deal for Jeff Weaver looks like a bargain.

This is a relatively low risk move to boost the rotation for a single year.