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RotatorCuff · December 13th, 2006, 05:48 PM

Simple question without conducting a poll.

Does anybody honestly think that this team can finish anywhere but last in the West for the fourth straight season?

I'm with 2Quarters, this team could lose 100 games. They are that weak.

At one time I would have thought that the Mariners GM job would be a coveted position but I don't know who in their right mind is going to want to come in here after next season and clean up this mess?

RotatorCuff · December 13th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Actually 2 Quarters suggested 99 losses.

edddgar · December 13th, 2006, 06:02 PM

Anyone else hate that we can't say, at least we aren't the Royals? Even if we do finish in front of them in the majors, they have a better farm system.

Wiggen · December 13th, 2006, 07:28 PM

Yes, it was particularly gratifying to read somewhere - was it Baseball America? - that not only does our major league team suck, but we're next to last among all teams in baseball in terms of our farm system.

It just keeps getting better.

Howard Lincoln may be the worst CEO in the history of baseball.

Barnstormer7 · December 13th, 2006, 07:44 PM

Look at last year opening day vs potentially this years opening day.

c - Kenji
1b - Sexson
2b - Lopez
SS - YuBet
3B - Beltre
LF - Raul
CF - Reed
RF - Ichiro
DH - Everett

Starters

Moyer
Felix
Jarrod
Gil
Joel

Pen
Putz
Everyday Eddie
Soriano
Sherrill
Mateo

2007

C - Kenji
1B - Sexson
2b - Lopez
SS - Yubet
3b - Beltre
LF - Raul
CF - Ichiro
RF - Guillen
DH - Vidro / Broussard ?

Starters

Jarrod
Felix
HoRam
Bautista
Baek / Woods / Huber / Feierabend

Pen
Putz
Sherrill
O'Flaherty
Mateo
Loser of 5th starter race

While on paper it doesn't look like a very good team, it's a bit difficult to say that it's 15 - 16 games worse than last years team.

I would say that they'll still lose 84 to 88 games, but no more than that.

Of course Bavasi still has time and this is all based on YuBet anchoring the infield.

Timberwolf · December 14th, 2006, 09:24 PM

December 2006, a month that will live in Seattle Sports infamy. The Seahawks choked and died on the field and the Mariners committed suicide off the field.

FED · December 15th, 2006, 01:32 AM

uggh. that's a terrible thought... I was prepared for the M's to suck(at least this year) but not the Hawks too! Hopefully they can pull together and beat the...........................chargers next week. ****. the chargers... doesn't look good. hopefully they rest their starters. *fingers crossed*. This is an M's message board, huh.... sorry. lol. I don't really feel like talking about the M's right now, that's how disappointing they are. I predict around 82-87 losses though... so a slight improvement imo.

Goose · December 15th, 2006, 02:46 PM

100 losses? Unless major injuries happen to Ichiro,Felix, and probably Beltre then I don't see that happening.

90 losses? I don't see that either.

80 losses? Sure.

Slica · December 15th, 2006, 04:59 PM

Im just gonna hope for 100 losses...

Anything to rid ourselves of Hargrove and Co. Similar to the Sonics right now...theyre playing very well, but just not winning. Thats what I hope from the Mariners. That way our young guys dont take a step back, but we still lose the jerkoffs.

Nice Sea-Ari sig by the way...I like the D Backs...but mostly on video games...

RotatorCuff · December 15th, 2006, 06:06 PM

Goose, 100 games might be a stretch but you better come to the realization real quick that this could be a 90 loss team.

Goose · December 15th, 2006, 07:58 PM

The 2006 squad lost 84 games.

Set aside your emotional attachment to Snelling and Soriano and tell me just how this offseason has made this team at least 6 games worse than the 2006 ballclub.

People are freaking out over the last two trades and letting their emotional states get the best of them. Yes losing Soriano and Snelling seriously sucks and I hate Bavasi for it. But you can't realistically tell me that the 2007 ballclub as it currently is, is a 90 loss club,

dawgncarolina · December 18th, 2006, 11:49 PM

Sadly, there's no way this team loses 100, or even 90.

We have too much young talent to suck that bad, and too much crap to win.

We are in the ick zone. And will be for the foreseeable future.

I'd much rather lose 100, blow the hole thing up and start over with new management (Antonetti!), but there's no way that happens.

We lose 85, max.

Betencourt will be as good or better, Lopez could be significantly better (if they stop jacking with his swing), and Felix should be better as well.

I do think the pen will be significantly worse without Sori and Lowe, so if we lose Putz somehow I'd be open to the posssibiilty that this team loses more than 85.

More than likely, though, this is a 77 to 85 win team.

And it will be extremely frustrating.

(BTW, thanks to goose and 2Q for the invite over this way)

Goose · December 19th, 2006, 12:14 AM

I was wondering when you were gonna stop by Dawg. Good to see yeah made it over.

Slica · December 19th, 2006, 08:31 AM

Finally the remaining guy I wanted to see around here!

So Dawg, you honestly think Betancourt will be as good as last year? Im talking offensively, of course. It would be nice, but until he stays consistent, I cant give him that vote of confidence. I fell for this before with some guy named Morse. Then again, Morse didn't hit like that over a whole season...

dawgncarolina · December 19th, 2006, 09:29 AM

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Finally the remaining guy I wanted to see around here!

Thanks Slica. Glad to see you're over here as well!

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So Dawg, you honestly think Betancourt will be as good as last year? Im talking offensively, of course. It would be nice, but until he stays consistent, I cant give him that vote of confidence. I fell for this before with some guy named Morse. Then again, Morse didn't hit like that over a whole season...

Yuni posted a .289/.310./.403 last season. A quick scan tells you that his batting average was far and away the biggest portion of his OPS, which is always a cause for concern.

However, as Dave Cameron has pointed out, YuBet is an extreme groundball hitter. We know that ground balls are a) more likely to go for base hits and b) less likely to go for extra bases. Yuni is also extremely speedy, which is an advantagage for a gb hitter.

Considering his age, experience, etc, my expectation is that Yuni will post a similar batting average (give/take 15 points), with slightly more walks (this may be wishful thinking, but I'm thinking he will become slightly more patient with age and comfort in the bigs) and maybe a smidge more power.

Being an extreme gb hitter, he's never going to post big SLG's without a major reworking of his swing, even though I think he actually has decent pop in his stick.

If I had to project YuBet's 07 I'd put him around .285/.315/.420 which is a small jump in OPS.

I'd honestly be surprised to see YuBet's OPS drop, though not shocked.

Morse is a completely different animal.

December 13th, 2006, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	2007... Simple question without conducting a poll. Does anybody honestly think that this team can finish anywhere but last in the West for the fourth straight season? I'm with 2Quarters, this team could lose 100 games. They are that weak. At one time I would have thought that the Mariners GM job would be a coveted position but I don't know who in their right mind is going to want to come in here after next season and clean up this mess?

December 13th, 2006, 07:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Barnstormer7 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 29	Look at last year opening day vs potentially this years opening day. c - Kenji 1b - Sexson 2b - Lopez SS - YuBet 3B - Beltre LF - Raul CF - Reed RF - Ichiro DH - Everett Starters Moyer Felix Jarrod Gil Joel Pen Putz Everyday Eddie Soriano Sherrill Mateo 2007 C - Kenji 1B - Sexson 2b - Lopez SS - Yubet 3b - Beltre LF - Raul CF - Ichiro RF - Guillen DH - Vidro / Broussard ? Starters Jarrod Felix HoRam Bautista Baek / Woods / Huber / Feierabend Pen Putz Sherrill O'Flaherty Mateo Loser of 5th starter race While on paper it doesn't look like a very good team, it's a bit difficult to say that it's 15 - 16 games worse than last years team. I would say that they'll still lose 84 to 88 games, but no more than that. Of course Bavasi still has time and this is all based on YuBet anchoring the infield. __________________ You can put it on the message boarddddddddddd....Yes!

December 15th, 2006, 02:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	100 losses? Unless major injuries happen to Ichiro,Felix, and probably Beltre then I don't see that happening. 90 losses? I don't see that either. 80 losses? Sure. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

December 15th, 2006, 07:58 PM	#11 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	The 2006 squad lost 84 games. Set aside your emotional attachment to Snelling and Soriano and tell me just how this offseason has made this team at least 6 games worse than the 2006 ballclub. People are freaking out over the last two trades and letting their emotional states get the best of them. Yes losing Soriano and Snelling seriously sucks and I hate Bavasi for it. But you can't realistically tell me that the 2007 ballclub as it currently is, is a 90 loss club, __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

December 18th, 2006, 11:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
dawgncarolina Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21	Eh Sadly, there's no way this team loses 100, or even 90. We have too much young talent to suck that bad, and too much crap to win. We are in the ick zone. And will be for the foreseeable future. I'd much rather lose 100, blow the hole thing up and start over with new management (Antonetti!), but there's no way that happens. We lose 85, max. Betencourt will be as good or better, Lopez could be significantly better (if they stop jacking with his swing), and Felix should be better as well. I do think the pen will be significantly worse without Sori and Lowe, so if we lose Putz somehow I'd be open to the posssibiilty that this team loses more than 85. More than likely, though, this is a 77 to 85 win team. And it will be extremely frustrating. (BTW, thanks to goose and 2Q for the invite over this way)

December 13th, 2006, 05:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	Actually 2 Quarters suggested 99 losses.

December 13th, 2006, 06:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
edddgar Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 51	Anyone else hate that we can't say, at least we aren't the Royals? Even if we do finish in front of them in the majors, they have a better farm system.

December 13th, 2006, 07:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,230	Yes, it was particularly gratifying to read somewhere - was it Baseball America? - that not only does our major league team suck, but we're next to last among all teams in baseball in terms of our farm system. It just keeps getting better. Howard Lincoln may be the worst CEO in the history of baseball.

December 14th, 2006, 09:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Timberwolf Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,855	December 2006, a month that will live in Seattle Sports infamy. The Seahawks choked and died on the field and the Mariners committed suicide off the field.

December 15th, 2006, 01:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
FED Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11	uggh. that's a terrible thought... I was prepared for the M's to suck(at least this year) but not the Hawks too! Hopefully they can pull together and beat the...........................chargers next week. ***. the chargers... doesn't look good. hopefully they rest their starters. fingers crossed*. This is an M's message board, huh.... sorry. lol. I don't really feel like talking about the M's right now, that's how disappointing they are. I predict around 82-87 losses though... so a slight improvement imo.

December 15th, 2006, 04:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Slica Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 168	Im just gonna hope for 100 losses... Anything to rid ourselves of Hargrove and Co. Similar to the Sonics right now...theyre playing very well, but just not winning. Thats what I hope from the Mariners. That way our young guys dont take a step back, but we still lose the jerkoffs. Nice Sea-Ari sig by the way...I like the D Backs...but mostly on video games...

December 15th, 2006, 06:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	Goose, 100 games might be a stretch but you better come to the realization real quick that this could be a 90 loss team.

December 19th, 2006, 12:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	I was wondering when you were gonna stop by Dawg. Good to see yeah made it over. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

December 19th, 2006, 08:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
Slica Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 168	Finally the remaining guy I wanted to see around here! So Dawg, you honestly think Betancourt will be as good as last year? Im talking offensively, of course. It would be nice, but until he stays consistent, I cant give him that vote of confidence. I fell for this before with some guy named Morse. Then again, Morse didn't hit like that over a whole season...