Mariners Now Interested in Zito? - Page 3

Goose · December 10th, 2006, 04:36 PM

There has been rumors going around that if the Red Sox can't reach an agreement by Thursday that Boras himself would buy the rights to DM. Boras would then effectively make him a free agent.

IF that were to happen, I would sign him to whatever it takes. I think he has the very real possibility to be one of the elite pitchers in the game, and a true #1. If he wants 6/100 I give it to him. If he wants 8/136 or whatever it is Soriano got, I give it to him.

If he becomes a FA agent, the M's have to sign him to salvage this offseason. That's all there is to it.

Barnstormer7 · December 10th, 2006, 04:52 PM

I'm on board with you on this one, though I can't see the Red Sox passing on this chance. To commit the money that they did through the posting process just to foil his efforts to come to over and play this year goes against every reported reason that they went after him in the first place. (presence in the far east, merchandise, etc.)

Timberwolf · December 10th, 2006, 05:57 PM

I highly doubt that the Red Sox would sell their rights, unless it was to an NL team, possibly as part of a trade. Why would the Red Sox be unhappy if DM went back to Seibu? Boras just does not have the hammer in these negotiations.
Too bad, so sad.

Lamda · December 10th, 2006, 07:26 PM

basically if they don't sign him by the deadline - Boston loses all rights to him - they couldn't sell it, etc. If that happens then Boras could work out a deal with MLB and Seibu to buy his rights for whatever agreed upon price. Boston will have no input in it, etc but they will get their 51 mill back. Whether someone pulls the plug on that type of thing remains to be seen - it's believed though that Seibu would take the 25mill or whatever is agreed upon by Boras because if DM pitches in Japan another year he'll be a FA and they won't get 1 penny.

bedir than average · December 10th, 2006, 07:30 PM

If Boras manages to somehow get Matsuzaka a Free Agent during this offseason he will get a 5+ year/75M$+ deal. That is better for Scott and better for Daisuke.

Barnstormer7 · December 10th, 2006, 10:27 PM

Could Boston negotiate with DM when and if he becomes a free agent?

Certainly would seem to circumvent the whole posting process and the fees that go with it.

Goose · December 10th, 2006, 10:49 PM

I would think that if Boras acquires his rights, then Boston isn't going to be involved. Because if they were really serious about signing the guy, they'd do it before the deadline.

Lamda · December 11th, 2006, 12:04 AM

I would seriously hope that if Boston gave back the 51mill and then turned around and signed him that MLB would nix the deal cause then it would seem obvious that the two sides, boston/boras, planned the whole thing to save them money but agree to the contract Boras wanted. They already tried to get Seibu to drop a portion of the posting fee to sign him.

Jim Potable · December 11th, 2006, 04:30 AM

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There has been rumors going around that if the Red Sox can't reach an agreement by Thursday that Boras himself would buy the rights to DM. Boras would then effectively make him a free agent.

IF that were to happen,....

Preposterous is the first word that jumps to mind.

But I don't know. Maybe there is some loophole in the posting system agreement. Far as I understand it, the team with the winning bid gets 30 days to negotiate a contract; if a contract cannot be agreed upon within that time, the posted player returns to his NPB team. That seemed the most obvious, straightforward part of the whole system. Nothing about an agent buying the rights to a player -- that just seems silly. When has an agent ever bought a player's rights? Stranger things have happened, I guess.

Goose · December 11th, 2006, 06:11 AM

That was(and still is) my reaction to those rumors as well. Complete and utter bs.

But it's out there.

Slica · December 11th, 2006, 08:29 AM

Doesn't matter, we wouldn't sign him anyways.

Strange, but true...as the cliche goes.

We always got the Seahawks...oh wait, they lost to possibly the worst team in football last night.

We always got the Sonics...no, they might not be in Seattle much longer...

Hmmm, tough time to be a Seattle fan. Its great having 3 major sports here, but its 10 times more painful when none of them are doing much to entertain you.

Last year I was on the fence of whether to root for the M's or hope they lose so the FO gets canned. This year im definitely wanting the FO caned. But do we want that at the expense of some of our young guys taking a step back? This is a conundrum. And no, I dont care if I spelled that wrong.

Barnstormer7 · December 11th, 2006, 01:53 PM

Don't forget when talking about the Seattle sports scene, the wart growing down at Montlake that used to be the pride of the northwest.

Goose · December 11th, 2006, 08:45 PM

So much for Boras buying DM's rights himself and making DM a FA.

Link

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“If there is no deal, then all bets are off,” said Lou Melendez, the vice president for international operations for Major League Baseball. “They’d have to post him again next year, because he can’t be a free agent for two more years.”

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“The Commissioner’s office would not recognize that free agency, and the Japanese commissioner’s office is in agreement with us,” Melendez said.

lastexit · December 11th, 2006, 09:35 PM

good. DM is back to Japan.

Barnstormer7 · December 11th, 2006, 09:49 PM

So this begs the question.

Was Seibu obligated to accept the top offer, or could they have accepted a bid amount of 25 to 30 million, figuring that the team that won the bid would stand a better chance of signing DM.

Why wouldn't a team that had no interest in DM (say a Baltimore or Toronto), but wanted to remain competitive with NY and Boston, bid 100 million just to keep him from coming to the States?

December 10th, 2006, 04:36 PM	#31 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	There has been rumors going around that if the Red Sox can't reach an agreement by Thursday that Boras himself would buy the rights to DM. Boras would then effectively make him a free agent. IF that were to happen, I would sign him to whatever it takes. I think he has the very real possibility to be one of the elite pitchers in the game, and a true #1. If he wants 6/100 I give it to him. If he wants 8/136 or whatever it is Soriano got, I give it to him. If he becomes a FA agent, the M's have to sign him to salvage this offseason. That's all there is to it. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

December 10th, 2006, 04:52 PM	#32 (permalink)
Barnstormer7 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 29	I'm on board with you on this one, though I can't see the Red Sox passing on this chance. To commit the money that they did through the posting process just to foil his efforts to come to over and play this year goes against every reported reason that they went after him in the first place. (presence in the far east, merchandise, etc.) __________________ You can put it on the message boarddddddddddd....Yes!

December 10th, 2006, 07:30 PM	#35 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	If Boras manages to somehow get Matsuzaka a Free Agent during this offseason he will get a 5+ year/75M$+ deal. That is better for Scott and better for Daisuke. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

December 10th, 2006, 10:27 PM	#36 (permalink)
Barnstormer7 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 29	Could Boston negotiate with DM when and if he becomes a free agent? Certainly would seem to circumvent the whole posting process and the fees that go with it. __________________ You can put it on the message boarddddddddddd....Yes!

December 10th, 2006, 10:49 PM	#37 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	I would think that if Boras acquires his rights, then Boston isn't going to be involved. Because if they were really serious about signing the guy, they'd do it before the deadline. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

December 10th, 2006, 05:57 PM	#33 (permalink)
Timberwolf Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,865	I highly doubt that the Red Sox would sell their rights, unless it was to an NL team, possibly as part of a trade. Why would the Red Sox be unhappy if DM went back to Seibu? Boras just does not have the hammer in these negotiations. Too bad, so sad.

December 10th, 2006, 07:26 PM	#34 (permalink)
Lamda Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redmond Posts: 42	basically if they don't sign him by the deadline - Boston loses all rights to him - they couldn't sell it, etc. If that happens then Boras could work out a deal with MLB and Seibu to buy his rights for whatever agreed upon price. Boston will have no input in it, etc but they will get their 51 mill back. Whether someone pulls the plug on that type of thing remains to be seen - it's believed though that Seibu would take the 25mill or whatever is agreed upon by Boras because if DM pitches in Japan another year he'll be a FA and they won't get 1 penny.

December 11th, 2006, 12:04 AM	#38 (permalink)
Lamda Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redmond Posts: 42	I would seriously hope that if Boston gave back the 51mill and then turned around and signed him that MLB would nix the deal cause then it would seem obvious that the two sides, boston/boras, planned the whole thing to save them money but agree to the contract Boras wanted. They already tried to get Seibu to drop a portion of the posting fee to sign him.

December 11th, 2006, 06:11 AM	#40 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	That was(and still is) my reaction to those rumors as well. Complete and utter bs. But it's out there. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

December 11th, 2006, 08:29 AM	#41 (permalink)
Slica Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 168	Doesn't matter, we wouldn't sign him anyways. Strange, but true...as the cliche goes. We always got the Seahawks...oh wait, they lost to possibly the worst team in football last night. We always got the Sonics...no, they might not be in Seattle much longer... Hmmm, tough time to be a Seattle fan. Its great having 3 major sports here, but its 10 times more painful when none of them are doing much to entertain you. Last year I was on the fence of whether to root for the M's or hope they lose so the FO gets canned. This year im definitely wanting the FO caned. But do we want that at the expense of some of our young guys taking a step back? This is a conundrum. And no, I dont care if I spelled that wrong.

December 11th, 2006, 01:53 PM	#42 (permalink)
Barnstormer7 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 29	Don't forget when talking about the Seattle sports scene, the wart growing down at Montlake that used to be the pride of the northwest. __________________ You can put it on the message boarddddddddddd....Yes!

December 11th, 2006, 09:35 PM	#44 (permalink)
lastexit Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SF Posts: 88	good. DM is back to Japan.

December 11th, 2006, 09:49 PM	#45 (permalink)
Barnstormer7 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Richland, WA Posts: 29	So this begs the question. Was Seibu obligated to accept the top offer, or could they have accepted a bid amount of 25 to 30 million, figuring that the team that won the bid would stand a better chance of signing DM. Why wouldn't a team that had no interest in DM (say a Baltimore or Toronto), but wanted to remain competitive with NY and Boston, bid 100 million just to keep him from coming to the States? __________________ You can put it on the message boarddddddddddd....Yes!