latest bedard rumors

phredmojo · January 7th, 2008, 11:07 PM

from churchill
jones, Triunfel , sherrill
http://prospectinsider.com/2008/01/07/ms-getting-closer

from rosenthal

Mariners GM Bill Bavasi has said it is unlikely that he will trade his top pitching prospect, right-hander Brandon Morrow. But even if the M's decline to part with Morrow, they can put together an attractive package for Bedard.

Jones, compared by some scouts to Torii Hunter, would become the Orioles' long-term answer in center field, developing alongside right fielder Nick Markakis.

The Mariners also are willing to include catcher Jeff Clement and third baseman Matt Tuiasosopo, sources say. The Orioles, however, might prefer a choice of left-hander Tony Butler, right-hander Chris Tillman and 17-year-old shortstop Carlos Triunfel.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7...0813162&ATT=49

thr33niL · January 8th, 2008, 12:22 AM

They better not deal Triunfel or I will be pissed.

Jim Potable · January 9th, 2008, 09:06 PM

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Bedard: A trade between the Orioles and Mariners is only one player away from completion, major-league sources say, but that one player could be right-hander Chris Tillman, a 19-year-old that the M's would prefer to retain.

Outfielder Adam Jones would be the centerpiece of the deal for the Orioles, and left-handed reliever George Sherrill and 17-year-old shortstop Carlos Triunfel are among the other players under discussion.

Fox Sports

I know the expert bloggers don't like it.

We need starting pitching. How would this be a good deal? Who steps in to start in right if Jones is dealt? Balentien? Jimerson? Reed?

bedir than average · January 10th, 2008, 05:24 PM

This deal won't go away, and that makes me think something will happen, but to send that much talent seems an overpay.

Sure the market is paying that these days, but you don't get ahead by paying market values. You get ahead by beating the market.

Its like housing. The market was paying 300k for comparitive homes 6 months ago, they are now 275k. If you bought at 300k, that doesn't mean you did the right thing just because it was the market.

thr33niL · January 10th, 2008, 05:36 PM

Seems the Orioles are playing hardball on Roberts. Supposedly turned down Gallagher, Marshall and Cedeno insisting on Pie. That is a steep price for Roberts. Makes me understand why nothing has been done about Bedard.

Churchills sites says the Reds are in play with Bailey, Votto, Cueto and Encarnacion? Didn't the Reds already say no to a Bailey, Votto, Cueto for Bedard deal in December? Why would the same names + come up now?

Rumor offer from Seattle: Jones, Tillman, Sherrill from a poster at ProspectInsider.

coachjeff · January 10th, 2008, 06:40 PM

That's an awful lot for Bedard without an extension. It is however, considerably better than the rumored offer of Jones, Clement, Truinfel. Any idea whether the source at PI is credible?

Under no circumstances should Truinfel be included with Jones and/or Clement. I can see building a package around Jones or Truinfel, but not both.

That being said, I am not in favor of gutting the future by trading Jones, etc. for Bedard. I agree with USS Mariner that I wouldn't deal Jones for Bedard straight up.

thr33niL · January 10th, 2008, 07:39 PM

I wouldn't be appalled if it was Jones/Tillman/Sherrill.

bedir than average · January 10th, 2008, 07:41 PM

I would want them to take Sexson as well, probably sending Scott back.

Wiggen · January 10th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Maybe if the Mariners agree to pay 90% of Sexson's salary. Or the Oriole GM has a frontal lobotomy. Or both.

bedir than average · January 10th, 2008, 08:18 PM

This is Baltimore...

Timberwolf · January 11th, 2008, 12:25 AM

Just say no to mortgaging the future. The scariest part is that there really is no downside for Bavasi doing a high risk trade the future for the present deal , since he will be gone unless everything breaks right.

I'd rather have Jones than Bedard.

bedir than average · January 11th, 2008, 07:22 AM

The only appropriate time to mortgage the future is when you have a shot at the championship. This club doesn't have that.

RotatorCuff · January 11th, 2008, 01:18 PM

Exactly bedir, but as I've mentioned before Bavasi knows he has no future in Seattle so he doesn't really care what he has to give up.

He'll do anything he can to save his job on a year to year basis and that is why this deal will more than likely get done.

Jim Potable · January 12th, 2008, 09:04 AM

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...that is why this deal will more than likely get done.

Scary. I keep checking in to learn more.

At least we still have Felix.

No, wait. That was last year's motto.

Wiggen · January 12th, 2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf

Just say no to mortgaging the future. The scariest part is that there really is no downside for Bavasi doing a high risk trade the future for the present deal , since he will be gone unless everything breaks right.

I'd rather have Jones than Bedard.

I can't believe you'd rather have Jones than Bedard. OUtfielders with mid-level power are fairly common - we just let one go to Kansas City for nothing. TOR starters, on the other hand, are rare. People talk about Adam Jones as though he was the second coming of Ken Griffey Junior. He's proven nothing so far. He may turn into a serviceable major league outfielder.

Bedard, on the other hand, is a proven, winning, LEFT-HANDED staff ace. I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

January 7th, 2008, 11:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
phredmojo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: bellingham, wa Posts: 88	latest bedard rumors from churchill jones, Triunfel , sherrill http://prospectinsider.com/2008/01/07/ms-getting-closer from rosenthal Mariners GM Bill Bavasi has said it is unlikely that he will trade his top pitching prospect, right-hander Brandon Morrow. But even if the M's decline to part with Morrow, they can put together an attractive package for Bedard. Jones, compared by some scouts to Torii Hunter, would become the Orioles' long-term answer in center field, developing alongside right fielder Nick Markakis. The Mariners also are willing to include catcher Jeff Clement and third baseman Matt Tuiasosopo, sources say. The Orioles, however, might prefer a choice of left-hander Tony Butler, right-hander Chris Tillman and 17-year-old shortstop Carlos Triunfel. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7...0813162&ATT=49 Last edited by phredmojo; January 7th, 2008 at 11:23 PM.

January 10th, 2008, 05:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	This deal won't go away, and that makes me think something will happen, but to send that much talent seems an overpay. Sure the market is paying that these days, but you don't get ahead by paying market values. You get ahead by beating the market. Its like housing. The market was paying 300k for comparitive homes 6 months ago, they are now 275k. If you bought at 300k, that doesn't mean you did the right thing just because it was the market. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

January 10th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	I would want them to take Sexson as well, probably sending Scott back. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

January 10th, 2008, 08:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	This is Baltimore... __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

January 11th, 2008, 07:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	The only appropriate time to mortgage the future is when you have a shot at the championship. This club doesn't have that. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

January 8th, 2008, 12:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
thr33niL Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22	They better not deal Triunfel or I will be pissed.

January 10th, 2008, 05:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
thr33niL Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22	Seems the Orioles are playing hardball on Roberts. Supposedly turned down Gallagher, Marshall and Cedeno insisting on Pie. That is a steep price for Roberts. Makes me understand why nothing has been done about Bedard. Churchills sites says the Reds are in play with Bailey, Votto, Cueto and Encarnacion? Didn't the Reds already say no to a Bailey, Votto, Cueto for Bedard deal in December? Why would the same names + come up now? Rumor offer from Seattle: Jones, Tillman, Sherrill from a poster at ProspectInsider.

January 10th, 2008, 06:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
coachjeff Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Olympia Posts: 91	That's an awful lot for Bedard without an extension. It is however, considerably better than the rumored offer of Jones, Clement, Truinfel. Any idea whether the source at PI is credible? Under no circumstances should Truinfel be included with Jones and/or Clement. I can see building a package around Jones or Truinfel, but not both. That being said, I am not in favor of gutting the future by trading Jones, etc. for Bedard. I agree with USS Mariner that I wouldn't deal Jones for Bedard straight up.

January 10th, 2008, 07:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
thr33niL Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22	I wouldn't be appalled if it was Jones/Tillman/Sherrill.

January 10th, 2008, 08:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wiggen Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,229	Maybe if the Mariners agree to pay 90% of Sexson's salary. Or the Oriole GM has a frontal lobotomy. Or both.

January 11th, 2008, 12:25 AM	#11 (permalink)
Timberwolf Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,855	Just say no to mortgaging the future. The scariest part is that there really is no downside for Bavasi doing a high risk trade the future for the present deal , since he will be gone unless everything breaks right. I'd rather have Jones than Bedard.

January 11th, 2008, 01:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	Exactly bedir, but as I've mentioned before Bavasi knows he has no future in Seattle so he doesn't really care what he has to give up. He'll do anything he can to save his job on a year to year basis and that is why this deal will more than likely get done.