Rumor: Lieber for Rios

all4phillysportsfan · 03-05-2007, 08:49 AM

globesports.com: Blair: Thomson leads, Ohka falters in rotation race

Today, a B game will be played in Clearwater against the Philadelphia Phillies, in which Casey Janssen and Dustin McGowan — both ticketed for Triple-A Syracuse and both of whom have attracted trade inquiries — will pitch for the Blue Jays against a Phillies team whose general manager, Pat Gillick, spoke to the Jays as far back as the winter meetings about the availability of right fielder Alex Rios.

Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi said last week that “we're not trading Rios” — not unless the Phillies are willing to give up Cole Hamels or Brett Myers, and good luck on both fronts — but that didn't stop one of Gibbons's friends who is now a scout from telling him he'd heard that Gillick wants Rios.

It's clear that the two teams have some parts that might dovetail, but finding the right combination is trickier and might require the addition of a third team.

fire_bettman · 03-05-2007, 10:21 AM

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Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi said last week that “we're not trading Rios” — not unless the Phillies are willing to give up Cole Hamels or Brett Myers

rofl keep dreaming

all4phillysportsfan · 03-05-2007, 11:56 AM

how about Vernon Wells for Myers? That's the only way I would give Myers to the Jays.

Emmanuel · 03-08-2007, 01:34 AM

If the Phils could get Alex Rios I would be estatic. Although I don't want to trade Myers at all right now

all4phillysportsfan · 03-08-2007, 02:34 AM

I wouldn't give up any top prospects for Rios either. If we can find a way to give them Lieber, Carlos Ruiz and a low level prospect for him, that would be great.

Emmanuel · 03-09-2007, 12:56 PM

It depends on what type of prospect they want

all4phillysportsfan · 03-09-2007, 07:53 PM

WIP mentioned that they would Give up Lieber and Rowand for Rios. I think that's too much.

Emmanuel · 03-09-2007, 08:04 PM

I would do that in a heartbeat.... Lieber is an out of shape pitcher and Rowand is a bad collision away from taking out Chase Utley

all4phillysportsfan · 03-09-2007, 08:14 PM

I would like Rios, but we also need bullpen help, and Rowand is probably gonna be able to give us that.

fire_bettman · 03-09-2007, 11:27 PM

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WIP mentioned that they would Give up Lieber and Rowand for Rios. I think that's too much.

i agree

all4phillysportsfan · 03-10-2007, 06:52 AM

Also, doesn't Toronto have a CF anyway? Vernon Wells.

Emmanuel · 03-10-2007, 03:47 PM

I think people seriously over rate Arron Rowand, I don't want him on the team at all. He's a weak bat, he's wreckless, and if we can get anything for him... get it. Jon Lieber at this point is nothing to me at all. Alexis Rios is a player who before an injury looked like an all star. He's young and he would be a nice addition as a fifth hitter. I am sure that Golson or Ruiz can get u some bullpen help

all4phillysportsfan · 03-10-2007, 06:08 PM

I agree. Rowand is a team leader and can play defense, but you can put Victorino in CF, and hopefully acquire a RF. If we can get bullpen help for Rowand I'd be ok with it as long as we can acquire another OF.

bedir than average · 03-10-2007, 06:16 PM

If the Phills lose Rowand would they want a different former ChiSox CF in Jeremy Reed? His offense has been woeful at the ML level, but his defense stellar, the exact opposite of his minor league career. Baseball Prospectus once rated him as the #2 prospect in baseball even.

On the Mariners he will be the 4th OF a role that Willie Bloomquist and Mike Morse can fill. Reed should be playing full time.

all4phillysportsfan · 03-10-2007, 06:39 PM

Bedir: The talk around here is that if the Phillies move Rowand that Victorino would move to CF, and the Phils would trade Lieber for an OF, or possibly platoon Jayson Werth and Greg Dobbs in RF.

03-05-2007, 08:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Rumor: Lieber for Rios globesports.com: Blair: Thomson leads, Ohka falters in rotation race Today, a B game will be played in Clearwater against the Philadelphia Phillies, in which Casey Janssen and Dustin McGowan — both ticketed for Triple-A Syracuse and both of whom have attracted trade inquiries — will pitch for the Blue Jays against a Phillies team whose general manager, Pat Gillick, spoke to the Jays as far back as the winter meetings about the availability of right fielder Alex Rios. Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi said last week that “we're not trading Rios” — not unless the Phillies are willing to give up Cole Hamels or Brett Myers, and good luck on both fronts — but that didn't stop one of Gibbons's friends who is now a scout from telling him he'd heard that Gillick wants Rios. It's clear that the two teams have some parts that might dovetail, but finding the right combination is trickier and might require the addition of a third team. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-05-2007, 11:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	how about Vernon Wells for Myers? That's the only way I would give Myers to the Jays. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-08-2007, 02:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	I wouldn't give up any top prospects for Rios either. If we can find a way to give them Lieber, Carlos Ruiz and a low level prospect for him, that would be great. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-09-2007, 07:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	WIP mentioned that they would Give up Lieber and Rowand for Rios. I think that's too much. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-09-2007, 08:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	I would like Rios, but we also need bullpen help, and Rowand is probably gonna be able to give us that. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-08-2007, 01:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
Emmanuel Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 112	If the Phils could get Alex Rios I would be estatic. Although I don't want to trade Myers at all right now

03-09-2007, 12:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Emmanuel Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 112	It depends on what type of prospect they want

03-09-2007, 08:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
Emmanuel Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 112	I would do that in a heartbeat.... Lieber is an out of shape pitcher and Rowand is a bad collision away from taking out Chase Utley

03-10-2007, 06:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Also, doesn't Toronto have a CF anyway? Vernon Wells. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-10-2007, 03:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
Emmanuel Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 112	I think people seriously over rate Arron Rowand, I don't want him on the team at all. He's a weak bat, he's wreckless, and if we can get anything for him... get it. Jon Lieber at this point is nothing to me at all. Alexis Rios is a player who before an injury looked like an all star. He's young and he would be a nice addition as a fifth hitter. I am sure that Golson or Ruiz can get u some bullpen help

03-10-2007, 06:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	I agree. Rowand is a team leader and can play defense, but you can put Victorino in CF, and hopefully acquire a RF. If we can get bullpen help for Rowand I'd be ok with it as long as we can acquire another OF. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

03-10-2007, 06:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	If the Phills lose Rowand would they want a different former ChiSox CF in Jeremy Reed? His offense has been woeful at the ML level, but his defense stellar, the exact opposite of his minor league career. Baseball Prospectus once rated him as the #2 prospect in baseball even. On the Mariners he will be the 4th OF a role that Willie Bloomquist and Mike Morse can fill. Reed should be playing full time. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

03-10-2007, 06:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Bedir: The talk around here is that if the Phillies move Rowand that Victorino would move to CF, and the Phils would trade Lieber for an OF, or possibly platoon Jayson Werth and Greg Dobbs in RF. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.