Phillies acquire LHP Bobby Livingston from Tampa Bay, muffed by MLB

all4phillysportsfan · 12-12-2006, 06:56 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=MLB&id=4025

Pretty Weird how the Phillies paid Tampa Bay to claim him off waivers. I don't know alot about him, he's only 24, so he's worth a chance.

EaglesFan · 12-12-2006, 09:08 PM

Link

His Single A stats are pretty good and he did decent in Double-A, but his Triple-A numbers aren't too special. I don't think he's worth paying a team to put in a waiver claim for him.

Goose · 12-12-2006, 09:08 PM

Bobby was supposed to be the next coming of Jamie Moyer when he was with the Mariners. He's the prototypical soft tossing lefty who has good command but doesn't strike out many people.

He's struggled in AAA and in his brief callup to the M's. But I guess there's no better place for him to learn his craft than from the Master himself. So it makes sense that the Phillies acquired him.

all4phillysportsfan · 12-12-2006, 09:14 PM

Yeah it's worth a shot. Thanks for the info Goose. We lost Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez in the Freddy Garcia trade, so Livingston was added for depth. I kinda figured Livingston didn't throw hard because if he threw hard at his age, I don't think Seattle would have given up on him.

Goose · 12-12-2006, 09:15 PM

Gillick seems to have a thing for former Mariners pitchers doesn't he?

We just non-tendered Joel Pineiro today, maybe Gillick will sign him as well.

fire_bettman · 12-12-2006, 11:32 PM

this is a depth move like all4 said. its worth a shot

all4phillysportsfan · 12-13-2006, 07:48 AM

Hey maybe the Phillies could use Pineiro in long relief. I am surprised Pat Gillick didn't go after Eddie Guardado.

Emmanuel · 12-13-2006, 01:57 PM

I actually like Pinero more than Eaton he is a nice pitcher...

Emmanuel · 12-13-2006, 02:11 PM

Isn't Rick Ankiel a free agent, I would have some interest in him coming out of the penn.

EaglesFan · 12-13-2006, 03:08 PM

I don't believe Ankiel is a pitcher anymore, I think he switched to the outfield.

all4phillysportsfan · 12-13-2006, 08:23 PM

EaglesFan: you're right Rick Ankiel is an outfielder now. I don't want any part of him here.

fire_bettman · 12-13-2006, 10:52 PM

agreed he is terrible

Goose · 12-14-2006, 06:00 PM

Not so fast.

From Rotoworld:

Quote:

MLB nullified Tampa Bay's waiver claim of LHP Bobby Livingston and subsequent trade of Livingston to Philadelphia; assigned Livingston to the Reds on a waiver claim.
Interesting. MLB finally takes offense at some roster shenanigans for the just about the first time in decades, deciding that the Phillies' move to pay the Rays to claim Livingston off waivers was inappropriate. Since that was nullified, the Reds, who also put in a claim, were awarded the soft-tossing left-hander. Livingston was 8-11 with 4.59 ERA, 165 H, 69/36 K/BB in 135 1/3 IP for Triple-A Tacoma last season. He likely has no more than fifth-starter upside, and his performance last year suggests he doesn't have a future in the majors. The Reds will likely put him at Triple-A Louisville.

all4phillysportsfan · 12-14-2006, 09:05 PM

stupid MLB. If that's the case, you might as well get rid of the rule 5 draft because that's what happens there all the times. Teams take players then deal them to other clubs for cash.

fire_bettman · 12-15-2006, 10:59 PM

exactly, dont see much of a difference

12-12-2006, 06:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Phillies acquire LHP Bobby Livingston from Tampa Bay, muffed by MLB http://www.rotoworld.com/content/pla...rt=MLB&id=4025 Pretty Weird how the Phillies paid Tampa Bay to claim him off waivers. I don't know alot about him, he's only 24, so he's worth a chance. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

12-12-2006, 09:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Goose Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Bobby was supposed to be the next coming of Jamie Moyer when he was with the Mariners. He's the prototypical soft tossing lefty who has good command but doesn't strike out many people. He's struggled in AAA and in his brief callup to the M's. But I guess there's no better place for him to learn his craft than from the Master himself. So it makes sense that the Phillies acquired him. __________________

12-12-2006, 09:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Yeah it's worth a shot. Thanks for the info Goose. We lost Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez in the Freddy Garcia trade, so Livingston was added for depth. I kinda figured Livingston didn't throw hard because if he threw hard at his age, I don't think Seattle would have given up on him. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

12-12-2006, 09:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Goose Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Gillick seems to have a thing for former Mariners pitchers doesn't he? We just non-tendered Joel Pineiro today, maybe Gillick will sign him as well. __________________

12-13-2006, 07:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Hey maybe the Phillies could use Pineiro in long relief. I am surprised Pat Gillick didn't go after Eddie Guardado. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

12-12-2006, 09:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
EaglesFan Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South NJ Posts: 202	Link His Single A stats are pretty good and he did decent in Double-A, but his Triple-A numbers aren't too special. I don't think he's worth paying a team to put in a waiver claim for him.

12-12-2006, 11:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
fire_bettman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: south jersey Posts: 400	this is a depth move like all4 said. its worth a shot

12-13-2006, 01:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Emmanuel Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 112	I actually like Pinero more than Eaton he is a nice pitcher...

12-13-2006, 02:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
Emmanuel Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 112	Isn't Rick Ankiel a free agent, I would have some interest in him coming out of the penn.

12-13-2006, 03:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
EaglesFan Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South NJ Posts: 202	I don't believe Ankiel is a pitcher anymore, I think he switched to the outfield.

12-13-2006, 08:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	EaglesFan: you're right Rick Ankiel is an outfielder now. I don't want any part of him here. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

12-13-2006, 10:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
fire_bettman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: south jersey Posts: 400	agreed he is terrible

12-14-2006, 09:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	stupid MLB. If that's the case, you might as well get rid of the rule 5 draft because that's what happens there all the times. Teams take players then deal them to other clubs for cash. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

12-15-2006, 10:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
fire_bettman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: south jersey Posts: 400	exactly, dont see much of a difference