Yankees Win Posting for Igawa

Timmer · 11-28-2006, 05:57 PM

According to the YES Network (AKA Al-Yankzeera), the Yankees have won the right to negotiate with Japanese southpaw Kei Igawa for $25 million.

Who will do better here, Igawa or Matsuzaka?

RangerFan09 · 11-28-2006, 06:07 PM

It all depends on who gets the run support. But if the numbers are correct, Matsuzaka will be the one that has the better career.

RangerFan09 · 11-28-2006, 06:16 PM

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Dan · 11-28-2006, 06:22 PM

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RangerFan09 · 11-28-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol, There isn't anything wrong with taking a chance on a 27 year old, espeically when he throws with his left arm. Now we can sign Lilly as well to give us another option.

Yankee1012 · 11-28-2006, 06:36 PM

Im not quite sure who Igawa is except that he did good in japan so im not sure who will do better.

Dan · 11-28-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerFan09

Lol, There isn't anything wrong with taking a chance on a 27 year old, espeically when he throws with his left arm. Now we can sign Lilly as well to give us another option.

At that price it is not a chance, it is a risk. JUST SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Yankee1012 · 11-28-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

At that price it is not a chance, it is a risk. JUST SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

I guess that the Yanks felt we need a japan star too since the Red Sox got one. If Igawa is a bust im going to get so mad

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RangerFan09 · 11-28-2006, 07:49 PM

I rather spend 25 million on a chance then 51.1 million on a chance

Dan · 11-28-2006, 08:49 PM

I'd rather spend the 51 million when there's a 60% success rate of being good against a 20% chance of being good. Also take note: Igawa does not have ace-like potential and Matsuzaka does.

Timmer · 11-29-2006, 11:09 AM

Igawa is projected as a middle of the rotation starter, maybe a 4. If the Yankees went with Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, and Igawa, that could be a very solid rotation, assuming that Pavano stays healthy at all and Igawa pitches anywhere near his projection.

Timmer · 11-29-2006, 11:24 AM

One thing I like is that about 1/3 of his starts have been complete games. Taht's unusually high in this day and age. He looks to be durable, so we can save some bullpen.

Here is what Nippon Ham Fighters manager Trey Hillman, a former Yankee minor-league manager, says about Igawa: "He is a No. 3 or 4 for me. He has a strong lower half. He has some fire in him and that's good. He wants the ball and doesn't want the ball taken away from him.''

And the $25 million posting fee doesn't count against payroll for luxury tax purposes, so it's the equivalent of signing a Ted Lilly, who will probably get around $40 million over 4, but all of that counts as payroll.

Jim Potable · 12-02-2006, 11:25 PM

I'm a little late on this, I know.

Igawa will be, I believe, a nice addition to your rotation. But I say that because I'm a Hanshin fan. I really wanted him with the M's -- I read somewhere that we posted $20M, which was obviously trumped by the $26M the Yankees posted. Either way, it's too much, but there could be a bright side.

His fastball isn't what it was, but has effectively managed the slider and change to induce outs. In 2005, it was suggested here he was tipping his pitches. But what bothers me most about Igawa is that he sometimes looks bored on the mound. Gives the ump a look. I'm not sure how that will play out in NY (probably won't go over well for an MLB rookie and could be a lot of pressure from you dedicated fans). Yet still, he attacks hitters.

Some stats -- compare 2003 and 2006:

Kei Igawa -- last four seasons

Code:

General Stats
YEAR   G   W   L   IP    IP/G   BF  BF/G   PC    PC/G   P/BF   R  ER   ERA
2003  29  20   5  206.0   7.1  839  28.9  3388  116.8   4.03  72  64  2.80
2004  29  14  11  200.1   6.9  840  28.9  3345  115.3   3.98  95  83  3.73
2005  27  13   9  172.1   6.0  721  27.7  2921  108.1   3.89  91  74  3.86
2006  29  14   9  209.0   7.2  844  29.1  3332  114.8   3.94  77  69  2.97

Hits & Strikeouts & Walks
YEAR   H   H/9   BAA  1B  2B  3B  HR   K   KS  KL   K/9  BB  IBB  HBP
2003  184  8.03 .242 136  32   1  15  179 135  44  7.82  58   3    3
2004  190  8.53 .248 135  26   0  29  228 176  52 10.24  54   -    6
2005  199 10.39 .293 141  31   4  23  145 111  34  7.57  60   -    1
2006  180  7.75 .234 126  34   3  17  194 151  43  8.35  49   3    6

Direction of Batted Balls
YEAR   3B  LF  SS  CF  2B  RF  1B  GO  FO  LO
2003   54  97  89  94  86 100  39 353 227  19
2004   42  90  74  89  58 118  30 318 222  11
2005   42  92  72  95  73  89  38 330 191  22
2006   73 103  83  98  71  91  35 352 230  13

All stats official, except those in the third set.

I cannot say "Go, Yankees" -- it's against my nature... but best of luck to Igawa -- except against the Mariners.

11-28-2006, 05:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
Timmer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,845	Yankees Win Posting for Igawa According to the YES Network (AKA Al-Yankzeera), the Yankees have won the right to negotiate with Japanese southpaw Kei Igawa for $25 million. Who will do better here, Igawa or Matsuzaka?

11-28-2006, 06:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
Yankee1012 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 554	Im not quite sure who Igawa is except that he did good in japan so im not sure who will do better. __________________ Jets-Yankees-Knicks-Cowboys-GA Tech-Rangers

12-02-2006, 11:25 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jim Potable Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aichi, Japan Posts: 205	I'm a little late on this, I know. Igawa will be, I believe, a nice addition to your rotation. But I say that because I'm a Hanshin fan. I really wanted him with the M's -- I read somewhere that we posted $20M, which was obviously trumped by the $26M the Yankees posted. Either way, it's too much, but there could be a bright side. His fastball isn't what it was, but has effectively managed the slider and change to induce outs. In 2005, it was suggested here he was tipping his pitches. But what bothers me most about Igawa is that he sometimes looks bored on the mound. Gives the ump a look. I'm not sure how that will play out in NY (probably won't go over well for an MLB rookie and could be a lot of pressure from you dedicated fans). Yet still, he attacks hitters. Some stats -- compare 2003 and 2006: Kei Igawa -- last four seasons Code: General Stats YEAR G W L IP IP/G BF BF/G PC PC/G P/BF R ER ERA 2003 29 20 5 206.0 7.1 839 28.9 3388 116.8 4.03 72 64 2.80 2004 29 14 11 200.1 6.9 840 28.9 3345 115.3 3.98 95 83 3.73 2005 27 13 9 172.1 6.0 721 27.7 2921 108.1 3.89 91 74 3.86 2006 29 14 9 209.0 7.2 844 29.1 3332 114.8 3.94 77 69 2.97 Hits & Strikeouts & Walks YEAR H H/9 BAA 1B 2B 3B HR K KS KL K/9 BB IBB HBP 2003 184 8.03 .242 136 32 1 15 179 135 44 7.82 58 3 3 2004 190 8.53 .248 135 26 0 29 228 176 52 10.24 54 - 6 2005 199 10.39 .293 141 31 4 23 145 111 34 7.57 60 - 1 2006 180 7.75 .234 126 34 3 17 194 151 43 8.35 49 3 6 Direction of Batted Balls YEAR 3B LF SS CF 2B RF 1B GO FO LO 2003 54 97 89 94 86 100 39 353 227 19 2004 42 90 74 89 58 118 30 318 222 11 2005 42 92 72 95 73 89 38 330 191 22 2006 73 103 83 98 71 91 35 352 230 13 All stats official, except those in the third set. I cannot say "Go, Yankees" -- it's against my nature... but best of luck to Igawa -- except against the Mariners. Last edited by Jim Potable; 12-02-2006 at 11:38 PM.

11-28-2006, 06:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
RangerFan09 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 157	It all depends on who gets the run support. But if the numbers are correct, Matsuzaka will be the one that has the better career.

11-28-2006, 06:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
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11-28-2006, 06:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dan Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 256	Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11-28-2006, 07:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
RangerFan09 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 157	I rather spend 25 million on a chance then 51.1 million on a chance

11-28-2006, 08:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dan Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 256	I'd rather spend the 51 million when there's a 60% success rate of being good against a 20% chance of being good. Also take note: Igawa does not have ace-like potential and Matsuzaka does.

11-29-2006, 11:09 AM	#11 (permalink)
Timmer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,845	Igawa is projected as a middle of the rotation starter, maybe a 4. If the Yankees went with Wang, Mussina, Johnson, Pavano, and Igawa, that could be a very solid rotation, assuming that Pavano stays healthy at all and Igawa pitches anywhere near his projection.

11-29-2006, 11:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
Timmer Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,845	One thing I like is that about 1/3 of his starts have been complete games. Taht's unusually high in this day and age. He looks to be durable, so we can save some bullpen. Here is what Nippon Ham Fighters manager Trey Hillman, a former Yankee minor-league manager, says about Igawa: "He is a No. 3 or 4 for me. He has a strong lower half. He has some fire in him and that's good. He wants the ball and doesn't want the ball taken away from him.'' And the $25 million posting fee doesn't count against payroll for luxury tax purposes, so it's the equivalent of signing a Ted Lilly, who will probably get around $40 million over 4, but all of that counts as payroll.