I may be in the minority here but...

Dan · 11-25-2006, 10:55 AM

Do you guys trust Brian Bruney to hold an integral spot in our bullpen next season? Sure, he was absolutely terrific down the stretch for us, but he has had control/attitude problems in the past, and the control problems he had worry me the most. Look at his stats:

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 Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
 2004 22 ARI NL   3   4  30   0   0   0  14  0   31.3   20   16   15   2   27   34   1   2   135   5   0  4.31  4.44  103 1.500
 2005 23 ARI NL   1   3  47   0   0   0  21 12   46.0   56   39   38   6   35   51   5   2   230   2   0  7.43  4.40   59 1.978
 2006 24 NYY AL   1   1  19   0   0   0   2  0   20.7   14    2    2   1   15   25   1   2    90   0   0  0.87  4.38  503 1.403
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
  3 Yr WL% .385   5   8  96   0   0   0  37 12   98.0   90   57   55   9   77  110   7   6   455   7   0  5.05  4.41   87 1.704

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/brunebr01.shtml

It is a small sample size. And he is young. So, he does have that going for him. So why do I pose this question? Because I have read and heard from different people and articles that the reason this guy started to pitch so poorly, beginning in 2005, is due to a lack of confidence stemming from one outing. If that can still happen to this guy, it doesn't bode well for his future career with the Yankees. The good relievers are extremely good at putting what they did the day before behind them. This is especially key with the Yankees, where the pressure is bigger than any other city.

RangerFan09 · 11-25-2006, 12:17 PM

He pitched GREAT down the stretch. He has that confidence going into the Spring. He deserves a spot in the pen, if he it dosne't work out aw well. But he deserves every chance to make the pen agian this year. AS for me I think he will be fine, as i said he was good down the stretch and not bad in the playoffs. I think his confidence will be there and he should have a good year. Remember Tayon Sturze had problems like these and he turned out pretty good for us.

Dan · 11-25-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerFan09

He pitched GREAT down the stretch. He has that confidence going into the Spring. He deserves a spot in the pen, if he it dosne't work out aw well. But he deserves every chance to make the pen agian this year. AS for me I think he will be fine, as i said he was good down the stretch and not bad in the playoffs. I think his confidence will be there and he should have a good year. Remember Tayon Sturze had problems like these and he turned out pretty good for us.

I'm not so sure that Bruney is going to be as good as last year. But you're right he does deserve to hold a integral spot in the bullpen to start the season. I never questioned that. What I did question is whether or not he can be fully counted on the produce the way we think he can based off of last year. There is going to be some dropoff, how can there not be? As for Tanyon Sturtze, that is a bad example. He pitched well for a time, like Bruney, and then fell apart. If anything that only worries me more. To be honest, I think Bruney will be fine. There is just a part of me that doesn't trust him.

RangerFan09 · 11-25-2006, 12:40 PM

He its normal not to trust people like Bruney. Becuase well he hasn't been there say like Stanton/Mendoza/Nelson were in the late 90's. But got to believe in what we have. And if Guidry/Torre trust him well then so do I. Plus he is a guy if we ever have a bench clearing brawl agianst Boston, he will lead the charge out of the pen lol

Kilroys · 11-25-2006, 01:22 PM

It's not like Bruney is our main setup guy. He's just one more guy out in the pen who may or may not end up being crucial. At this point we have 6 righties for the pen if you include Proctor (Rivera, Farnsworth, Britton, Proctor, Bruney, Rasner). We probably only need 4. While they say that Proctor may start, I'm not so sure I believe that's going to happen. At the very least, the option of putting Proctor back in the pen if Bruney struggles exists. Our big problem is having both Farnsworth and Myers in the same bullpen. They force a 7-man pen. That's the problem that needs to be solved.

11-25-2006, 10:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dan Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 256	I may be in the minority here but... Do you guys trust Brian Bruney to hold an integral spot in our bullpen next season? Sure, he was absolutely terrific down the stretch for us, but he has had control/attitude problems in the past, and the control problems he had worry me the most. Look at his stats: Code: Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA lgERA ERA+ WHIP +--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+ 2004 22 ARI NL 3 4 30 0 0 0 14 0 31.3 20 16 15 2 27 34 1 2 135 5 0 4.31 4.44 103 1.500 2005 23 ARI NL 1 3 47 0 0 0 21 12 46.0 56 39 38 6 35 51 5 2 230 2 0 7.43 4.40 59 1.978 2006 24 NYY AL 1 1 19 0 0 0 2 0 20.7 14 2 2 1 15 25 1 2 90 0 0 0.87 4.38 503 1.403 +--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+ 3 Yr WL% .385 5 8 96 0 0 0 37 12 98.0 90 57 55 9 77 110 7 6 455 7 0 5.05 4.41 87 1.704 http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/brunebr01.shtml It is a small sample size. And he is young. So, he does have that going for him. So why do I pose this question? Because I have read and heard from different people and articles that the reason this guy started to pitch so poorly, beginning in 2005, is due to a lack of confidence stemming from one outing. If that can still happen to this guy, it doesn't bode well for his future career with the Yankees. The good relievers are extremely good at putting what they did the day before behind them. This is especially key with the Yankees, where the pressure is bigger than any other city.

11-25-2006, 12:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
RangerFan09 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 157	He pitched GREAT down the stretch. He has that confidence going into the Spring. He deserves a spot in the pen, if he it dosne't work out aw well. But he deserves every chance to make the pen agian this year. AS for me I think he will be fine, as i said he was good down the stretch and not bad in the playoffs. I think his confidence will be there and he should have a good year. Remember Tayon Sturze had problems like these and he turned out pretty good for us.

11-25-2006, 12:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
RangerFan09 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 157	He its normal not to trust people like Bruney. Becuase well he hasn't been there say like Stanton/Mendoza/Nelson were in the late 90's. But got to believe in what we have. And if Guidry/Torre trust him well then so do I. Plus he is a guy if we ever have a bench clearing brawl agianst Boston, he will lead the charge out of the pen lol

11-25-2006, 01:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kilroys Rookie Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12	It's not like Bruney is our main setup guy. He's just one more guy out in the pen who may or may not end up being crucial. At this point we have 6 righties for the pen if you include Proctor (Rivera, Farnsworth, Britton, Proctor, Bruney, Rasner). We probably only need 4. While they say that Proctor may start, I'm not so sure I believe that's going to happen. At the very least, the option of putting Proctor back in the pen if Bruney struggles exists. Our big problem is having both Farnsworth and Myers in the same bullpen. They force a 7-man pen. That's the problem that needs to be solved.