Proctor a Starter in 2007?

[RangerFan09]

Recent reports stated that Cashman has told Scott Procter to prepare for next season as if he was going to be part of the starting rotation. Now in my opinion i think he is good in the pen and we shouldn't fool around with him and his head. Procter has been in the pen for a few years now and that's where i think he belongs.

Thoughts?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by RangerFan09

Recent reports stated that Cashman has told Scott Procter to prepare for next season as if he was going to be part of the starting rotation. Now in my opinion i think he is good in the pen and we shouldn't fool around with him and his head. Procter has been in the pen for a few years now and that's where i think he belongs.

Thoughts?

Bad move. He'll only be a five or six inning starter maximum. I can't see him eating up innings as a starter. I guess they want to have another Jaret Wright in that regard. He'd be more effecitve than Wright though-if his stuff can last over a longer stretch of time. If it falls off later in games, he's going to get shelled in the 5th and 6th innings. That will be telling on if he can handle being a starter-how he does later in games. Not to mention the fact that we would have to find a replacement for him in the bullpen. With this move, they would be making two question marks out of one, in my opinion.

[Kilroys]

I think in the end the Yanks are going to sign someone. They're probably only putting this out there to keep contract demands down of potential signees.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Kilroys

I think in the end the Yanks are going to sign someone. They're probably only putting this out there to keep contract demands down of potential signees.

Just like last year with Cashman saying Crosby would be the centerfielder. I agree. I can't see the offseason going by without the Yankees at least one move of note.

[Timmer]

It's easier to replace relievers than starters. Nonetheless, I'd rather deal Proctor for a starter than try to switch him to starting. The White Sox have expressed willingness to trade Buehrle, Garcia, or Vazquez for relief help. (They want to make a slot in the rotation for Brandon McCarthy.)

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Timmer

It's easier to replace relievers than starters. Nonetheless, I'd rather deal Proctor for a starter than try to switch him to starting. The White Sox have expressed willingness to trade Buehrle, Garcia, or Vazquez for relief help. (They want to make a slot in the rotation for Brandon McCarthy.)

All of those White Sox names you mention scare me. First off, scratch Vazquez of the Yankees list: we've been down that road before. Buehrle and Garcia had sub-par seasons last year to say the least. I would rather sign a mid-level filler starter then make a trade for a starter and have to give something up. Unless Willis is available(which I doubt, and it would take a ton to get him over here), I wouldn't make a trade for a starter, at least not the ones I see are available on the trade market at this point.

[RangerFan09]

I think the reason Cash is talking about bringing Procter into the roation is becuase we can afford to. Well he thinks we can anyway. Becuase of the Wright trade we got another hard thrower that is going to start the year off in AAA. Now if Procter was a starter that would open the spot for Britton. But i do think that the Yankees will sign at least a starter or hell, they may sign 2. Lilly better be one of those starters that Cash signs.

[Timmer]

Originally Posted by Dan

First off, scratch Vazquez of the Yankees list: we've been down that road before.

And he made the All-Star team with the Yankees.

[RangerFan09]

Vazquez was not as bad as everybody says he was. I thought we gave up on him too soon. I thought he pitched ok when he was here. Would have liked to see him come back for another year.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Timmer

And he made the All-Star team with the Yankees.

The guy always has a terrible second half...I wouldn't trade for someone who only can give me half a season.

[Timmer]

Originally Posted by RangerFan09

Vazquez was not as bad as everybody says he was. I thought we gave up on him too soon.

Especially in light of what we got for him and what we had to give up with him (and what we gave up to get him.)

The Yankees traded Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, and Randy Choate to get Vazquez, then a year later, gave him to Arizona with Dioner Navarro and Brad Halsey to get a washed-up Big Unfit. Is RJ really worth Johnson, Rivera, Choate, Navarro, and Halsey?

I wouldn't mind bringing Vazquez back -- and he is George's favorite kind of player to acquire: an ex-Yankee.

[Yankee1012]

Im not sure but if we dont get any FA's that can start then i guess he will. I perfer him in the bullpen though cause thats one of our weak points (besides Rivera ).

[Kilroys]

The Yankees traded Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, and Randy Choate to get Vazquez, then a year later, gave him to Arizona with Dioner Navarro and Brad Halsey to get a washed-up Big Unfit. Is RJ really worth Johnson, Rivera, Choate, Navarro, and Halsey?

I would say yes, it was worth it. Nick Johnson did nothing until just this year except sit on the DL. This year he had a decent year, but it would have been his free-agent year if he hadn't signed an extension. I suppose we did lose the option of signing him to the extension, but we also missed out on an injury plagued '04, a semi-injury plagued '05, and an underachieving '05. Even '06 was not spectacular. As for Rivera - he had a decent half-season in '04, a worthless '05 and a good, but not spectacular '06. Navarro will never be more than a backup catcher quality. Halsey and Choate are no great loss. Johnson on the other hand had an excellent (though not vintage Johnson) '05 (although he did suck in the playoffs). A 17-8 record with a 3.79 ERA and 211 Ks is an ace performance. Think of how we would feel if those #s belonged to Moose. We'd say Moose had a spectacular year. Heck we'd say that about any pitcher pitching in the AL, with the exception of maybe Johan Santana.

Thus, in terms of value, I'd say that we got more value with Johnson's '05 than we lost in Rivera's and Nick Johnson's '06 and Rivera's decent, but not great half-season '04.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Kilroys

I would say yes, it was worth it. Nick Johnson did nothing until just this year except sit on the DL. This year he had a decent year, but it would have been his free-agent year if he hadn't signed an extension. I suppose we did lose the option of signing him to the extension, but we also missed out on an injury plagued '04, a semi-injury plagued '05, and an underachieving '05. Even '06 was not spectacular. As for Rivera - he had a decent half-season in '04, a worthless '05 and a good, but not spectacular '06. Navarro will never be more than a backup catcher quality. Halsey and Choate are no great loss. Johnson on the other hand had an excellent (though not vintage Johnson) '05 (although he did suck in the playoffs). A 17-8 record with a 3.79 ERA and 211 Ks is an ace performance. Think of how we would feel if those #s belonged to Moose. We'd say Moose had a spectacular year. Heck we'd say that about any pitcher pitching in the AL, with the exception of maybe Johan Santana.

Thus, in terms of value, I'd say that we got more value with Johnson's '05 than we lost in Rivera's and Nick Johnson's '06 and Rivera's decent, but not great half-season '04.

I can't even completely kill Johnson for the '05 playoffs because if it wasn't for his great performance in Fenway against the Red Sox in the final series of the regular season we wouldn't have even been in the playoffs.