Are the Phillies better than the Mets?

12301Roosevelt · 12-15-2006, 02:11 PM

Phillies Rotation: Brett Myers, Freddy Garcia, Jamie Moyer, Cole Hamels, and Jon Lieber/Adam Eaton. That's pretty impressive, doubtless one of the best in the NL.

Mets Rotation: Tom Glavine, Orlando Hernandez, John Maine, David Williams, and Oliver Perez.

I'm sure the Mets will do something to upgrade the rotation before the season begins (hoping for BZ), but since that's not a given...

Mets lineup:
SS Reyes
C LoDuca
CF Beltran
1B Delgado
RF Alou
3B Wright
LF Green
2B Valentin/Easley

Phillies Lineup:
SS Rollins
CF Rowand
2B Utley
1B Howard
LF Burrell
RF Victorino
3B Helms
C Coste

Their lineup is clearly not as good as ours-but there are some very good hitters. I get the sense that the disparity is much smaller than it is for the rotations.

Bullpens:
Mets: CL Wagner, SU Heilman, Feliciano, Sanchez
Phillies: CL Gordon, SU Madson, Castro, Mathieson

Bullpen and Defense also favor the Mets. I don't know if the Phillies are there yet; but they were better in the latter portion of the 2006 season, and they seem to have made ground quickly. You'll notice there's no stats here, just presumptions-I thought I'd initiate a discussion.

ss77ice · 12-15-2006, 06:16 PM

Lets not forget the phillies starting rotation seems to be much better right now then the mets:

Phillies:
Freddy Garcia, Brett Myers, Adam Eaton, Cole Hamels and Jamie Moyer

Mets: Tom Glavine, Orlando Hernandez, John Maine, Oliver Perez and either Dave Williams, Mike Pelfrey or Philip Humber.

We need Zito or a good trade for a number 1 or 2 pitcher!

all4phillysportsfan · 12-15-2006, 09:12 PM

I think you guys have a better lineup, but unless you guys sign Zito, our rotation is definitely better, and your bullpen is better, but remember The Phillies are gonna trade Lieber for bullpen help and maybe an OF? If we can get that OF, then Burrell could be traded for more bullpen help.

fire_bettman · 12-15-2006, 11:02 PM

Mathieson had tommy john surgery so he wont be back in a while, ( he wasnt too impressive anyway )
so we def need some bull pen help

nycmjkfan · 12-16-2006, 01:17 PM

I'll let you know in October.

Piazzaman · 01-16-2007, 11:35 AM

Eaton and Moyer?

Yup they scare me!!! NOT!!!! The only decent starter they have is Garcia.

12-15-2006, 02:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
12301Roosevelt New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1	Are the Phillies better than the Mets? Phillies Rotation: Brett Myers, Freddy Garcia, Jamie Moyer, Cole Hamels, and Jon Lieber/Adam Eaton. That's pretty impressive, doubtless one of the best in the NL. Mets Rotation: Tom Glavine, Orlando Hernandez, John Maine, David Williams, and Oliver Perez. I'm sure the Mets will do something to upgrade the rotation before the season begins (hoping for BZ), but since that's not a given... Mets lineup: SS Reyes C LoDuca CF Beltran 1B Delgado RF Alou 3B Wright LF Green 2B Valentin/Easley Phillies Lineup: SS Rollins CF Rowand 2B Utley 1B Howard LF Burrell RF Victorino 3B Helms C Coste Their lineup is clearly not as good as ours-but there are some very good hitters. I get the sense that the disparity is much smaller than it is for the rotations. Bullpens: Mets: CL Wagner, SU Heilman, Feliciano, Sanchez Phillies: CL Gordon, SU Madson, Castro, Mathieson Bullpen and Defense also favor the Mets. I don't know if the Phillies are there yet; but they were better in the latter portion of the 2006 season, and they seem to have made ground quickly. You'll notice there's no stats here, just presumptions-I thought I'd initiate a discussion.

12-15-2006, 09:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	I think you guys have a better lineup, but unless you guys sign Zito, our rotation is definitely better, and your bullpen is better, but remember The Phillies are gonna trade Lieber for bullpen help and maybe an OF? If we can get that OF, then Burrell could be traded for more bullpen help. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

12-15-2006, 06:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
ss77ice New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1	Lets not forget the phillies starting rotation seems to be much better right now then the mets: Phillies: Freddy Garcia, Brett Myers, Adam Eaton, Cole Hamels and Jamie Moyer Mets: Tom Glavine, Orlando Hernandez, John Maine, Oliver Perez and either Dave Williams, Mike Pelfrey or Philip Humber. We need Zito or a good trade for a number 1 or 2 pitcher!

12-15-2006, 11:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
fire_bettman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: south jersey Posts: 400	Mathieson had tommy john surgery so he wont be back in a while, ( he wasnt too impressive anyway ) so we def need some bull pen help

12-16-2006, 01:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
nycmjkfan Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 138	I'll let you know in October.

01-16-2007, 11:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Piazzaman New Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3	Eaton and Moyer? Yup they scare me!!! NOT!!!! The only decent starter they have is Garcia.