Matt Schaub to Houston - Page 2

aCutb · March 22nd, 2007, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW

What sort of messed up system could a team use that Reggie Bush wouldn't succeed? The only one that comes to mind is if you threw the ball 80 times a game. Isn't Gary Kubiak in Houston? That would mean you zone block, which Reggie Bush is phenomenal for. He can get to the outside and force the defense to overpursue, and cut back on a dime and break tackles and make people miss coming back across the field. Reggie Bush is the ideal RB for a zone blocking team, that's why you got Ahman Green over Ron Dayne, because you need to be fast and have cutback ability.

But Bush struggles when he runs the ball up the middle, which he would have to do in Kubiak's system. I liked Mario Williams when we made the pick, and still will stand by the pick.

BMW · March 23rd, 2007, 10:26 AM

the whole point behind the zone is to stretch the defense outside and then cut back. Reggie Bush has no problems running up the middle in a zone blocking system....he has problems running up the middle in a base blocking system.

ganja · March 23rd, 2007, 01:34 PM

David Carr was released today. He's a big question mark about where he'll end up...maybe Minnesota?

John F · March 23rd, 2007, 02:56 PM

He could end up anywhere. I thought Kubiak would want to play around with him for a bit.

I could see Gruden getting excited over the prospect of a fat QB controversy by way of Carr or Daunte Culpepper being added to Tampa Bay's roster. And yes, Gruden would bring in a third (fourth and fifth) starter quality QB to vie for the QB job.

aCutb · March 24th, 2007, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW

the whole point behind the zone is to stretch the defense outside and then cut back. Reggie Bush has no problems running up the middle in a zone blocking system....he has problems running up the middle in a base blocking system.

But Bush only averaged 2 yards per carry on a team with a better offensive line than the Texans. He has a problem running the ball.

BMW · March 24th, 2007, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aCutb

But Bush only averaged 2 yards per carry on a team with a better offensive line than the Texans. He has a problem running the ball.

New Orleans is a base blocking team, it's a completely different style of running back...either way he'll develop into that role. It's not like Mario Williams came in and had 15 sacks or something...Bush will by be better and have a bigger impact, and it's okay to admit your team made a mistake. Shoot, my team was dumb enough to draft Aaron Rodgers.

aCutb · March 26th, 2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW

New Orleans is a base blocking team, it's a completely different style of running back...either way he'll develop into that role. It's not like Mario Williams came in and had 15 sacks or something...Bush will by be better and have a bigger impact, and it's okay to admit your team made a mistake. Shoot, my team was dumb enough to draft Aaron Rodgers.

My team didn't make the mistake on passing Reggie for Mario though. If you put Reggie Bush on the Cleveland Browns does he have as good as year? No, because they don't have a good offensive line or quarterback. There are some good players on the Browns, Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow, but they would be able to key in on Bush. He would have a less productive season. But with the Saints they have Brees, Duece, Colston, Horn, Henderson, Copper, and Karney. That's one of the best offenses in the league without Bush. Mario was double teamed every game while playing with plantar fascisis which caused Michael Strahan to miss about 5 games a couple years ago. It's not like he had a bad year, he had 4 1/2 sacks and 47 tackles. The 47 tackles really helped our running game, and freed up DeMeco Ryans to be the Defensive Rookie of the Year. But lets say we put Mario on an equally talented defensive team like the Saints are offensive. The Chicago Bears could be this example. They had a rookie pass rusher, Mark Anderson, get a lot of sacks in his rookie season. If Mario was on the bears he would of had 12+ sacks like Mark did. Once Mario gets his help from his defensive line he will be dominant. He is already one of the best run stuffing defensive ends in the league, and will be in the near future the best complete defensive end in the league.

BMW · March 27th, 2007, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aCutb

with the Saints they have Brees, Duece, Colston, Horn, Henderson, Copper, and Karney. That's one of the best offenses in the league without Bush.

Drew Brees I'll give you, and Deuce as well, but those other guys...no, not even close. average, average, average, average. Bush added another demension to that offense with the toss plays and outside threat that teams had to account for on every play, that's why all those average players looked a lot better. I'm just saying you could have gotten another run stopper later in the draft, and still find someone to pass rush as well. You won't find another Reggie Bush.

ganja · March 27th, 2007, 11:27 AM

Colston is a rising star. He's big, physical, and goes over the middle. Now he doesn't have blazing speed but he's still on his way up. He's a playmaker for sure.

BMW · March 27th, 2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganja

Colston is a rising star. He's big, physical, and goes over the middle. Now he doesn't have blazing speed but he's still on his way up. He's a playmaker for sure.

He is athletic and can catch, but those WR's are not as wide open as they got without Reggie Bush.

aCutb · March 27th, 2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW

Drew Brees I'll give you, and Deuce as well, but those other guys...no, not even close. average, average, average, average. Bush added another demension to that offense with the toss plays and outside threat that teams had to account for on every play, that's why all those average players looked a lot better. I'm just saying you could have gotten another run stopper later in the draft, and still find someone to pass rush as well. You won't find another Reggie Bush.

Mario showed great pass rush ability in his a 5 game stretch with 4 1/2 sacks or so, but then got hurt. He will be a great player.

And you are right Bush is a great outside runner, but if he was on the Texans the defenses would target Bush and make Ron Dayne beat them. But since he is on the Saints, the opposing defense worry about Brees, Duece, and co.

Tomlinson21 · March 27th, 2007, 08:08 PM

I didn't like the fact that the Texans took Williams, I wanted them to trade down and fill out the roster a little more. Oh well too bad Mario did look good at times last season, the double teams were not there as often as people think though, mainly he was injured last season so he wasn't much of a threat. Also he needs to develope his skills as a rusher a bit. Looks stiff out there on allot of plays but I think that is just a rookie thing. He'll be good, not Bruce Smith, Reggie White or Strahan good. He does kinda remind me of Bruce Smith but he just doesn't have that kind of power yet...maybe someday most likely not.

BMW · March 28th, 2007, 04:26 AM

Bruce Smith had an unbelievable motor that Mario Williams just doesn't have.

March 23rd, 2007, 10:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
BMW Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	the whole point behind the zone is to stretch the defense outside and then cut back. Reggie Bush has no problems running up the middle in a zone blocking system....he has problems running up the middle in a base blocking system. __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

March 28th, 2007, 04:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
BMW Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	Bruce Smith had an unbelievable motor that Mario Williams just doesn't have. __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

March 23rd, 2007, 01:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
ganja Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 194	David Carr was released today. He's a big question mark about where he'll end up...maybe Minnesota?

March 23rd, 2007, 02:56 PM	#19 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	He could end up anywhere. I thought Kubiak would want to play around with him for a bit. I could see Gruden getting excited over the prospect of a fat QB controversy by way of Carr or Daunte Culpepper being added to Tampa Bay's roster. And yes, Gruden would bring in a third (fourth and fifth) starter quality QB to vie for the QB job.

March 27th, 2007, 11:27 AM	#24 (permalink)
ganja Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 194	Colston is a rising star. He's big, physical, and goes over the middle. Now he doesn't have blazing speed but he's still on his way up. He's a playmaker for sure.

March 27th, 2007, 08:08 PM	#27 (permalink)
Tomlinson21 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 36	I didn't like the fact that the Texans took Williams, I wanted them to trade down and fill out the roster a little more. Oh well too bad Mario did look good at times last season, the double teams were not there as often as people think though, mainly he was injured last season so he wasn't much of a threat. Also he needs to develope his skills as a rusher a bit. Looks stiff out there on allot of plays but I think that is just a rookie thing. He'll be good, not Bruce Smith, Reggie White or Strahan good. He does kinda remind me of Bruce Smith but he just doesn't have that kind of power yet...maybe someday most likely not.