Pro Football Hall of Fame elects monk, leaves out Carter

[djwhokid]

PHOENIX - Cris Carter of Boca Raton had better statistics, but Art Monk apparently had more personal sentiment in his favor and the former Washington Redskins receiver was elected Saturday to the Pro Football Hall of Fame along with five other players.

Carter, who played very briefly for the Dolphins before retiring five years ago, is No. 2 behind Jerry Rice in career touchdowns (130) by a receiver. Today, he's an assistant coach at St. Thomas Aquinas High School in Fort Lauderdale, where his son plays receiver.

Hall of Fame committee elects Monk, leaves out Cris Carter, Tagliabue -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Cris Carter, 8 time pro-bowler
Receptions: 1,101
Receiving Yards: 13,899
TD's: 130

Art Monk, 3 time pro-bowler
Receptions: 940
Receiving Yards: 12,721
TD's: 68

Seriously? Monk over Carter??? Carter is the definition of a Hall of Fame player.

The Derrick Thomas ommission was also stunning.

[TylerDurden]

How many Super Bowls did Cris Carter play in again?

[bedir than average]

Well, that and Monk basically defined that role as a wide out. Before Carter there was Monk. Carter literally wouldn't have had a position if not for Monk, except as a 3rd wideout.

Carter will get in, eventually, but there is no way a follower should get in before the leader.

[Stlouistravis]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

How many Super Bowls did Cris Carter play in again?

This is so Irrelevant Tyler!!!

I have grown so ridiculously tired of everyone trying to hinge greatness or judge a persons career based on CHAMPIONSHIPS or playing in the SB!

You can't keep a player out of the HOF simply because he has no Rings or failed to play in a SB. "RINGS ARE WON BY TEAMS......NOT INDIVIDUALS", and therefore it is foolish to keep a guy out based on championships or appearances in the SB. Football is a team sport and it takes the collective effort of every player on that 53-man roster to make it to a SB or win a championship.

Carters numbers Scream HALL OF FAME!!!

Can someone tell the HOF committee to shove their politics up their pathetic a$$es and put Carter where he belongs......IN THE HALL.

Hell....Roger Werhli, Kellen Winslow, and Ozzie Newsome never played in Super Bowls either, but how ridiculous would it have been to keep them out of the Hall????? I think you know that you missed the boat on this one!

[Stlouistravis]

Originally Posted by bedir than average

Well, that and Monk basically defined that role as a wide out. Before Carter there was Monk. Carter literally wouldn't have had a position if not for Monk, except as a 3rd wideout.

Carter will get in, eventually, but there is no way a follower should get in before the leader.

How did you ever come to the conclusion that Carter somehows owes his career to Monk?

Monk was not the Godfather of the Receiver position, and you have got to be kidding me with the "Follower/Leader comment!

How does it matter who came first!!!!!

Carter's numbers are so ridiculously better than Monk's in just about every receiving category, and somehow just because Monk was first in line, you think that merits keeping Carter out??????????

That's laughable!!

That would be the equivalent of telling Marshall Faulk there is no way he should go in before Otis Anderson, simply because Anderson played before Faulk......How insane would that be????

I think you've lost me with the rationale!

[Stlouistravis]

I also can't understand the rationale behind not voting Derrick Thomas in. Next to LT, I can't remember an OLB who was feared more, and the guy consistently wrecked havoc coming off the end.

Met him at a Celebrity basketball game in St. Louis back in '97......was a very genuinely nice person, Died on his way from KC to St.Louis trying to make it to the Rams NFC Championship game versus the Bucanneers in "99.

[bedir than average]

How did you ever come to the conclusion that Carter somehows owes his career to Monk?

Because Monk played for Gibbs and Green (Carter's coach) learned from Gibbs. The two were used in the same role in the same 3 receiver set for the peak period of their careers.

[Simp]

How many Super Bowls did Cris Carter play in again?

Brilliant. Leads to such obvious conclusions as Eli > Marino and Brandon Jacobs = Walter Payton.

[TylerDurden]

When you have two players with similar stats at similar positions in similar offensive systems, but one came before the other, defined that position, had already been snubbed by the HOF in years past and played on four Super Bowl teams to the other's zero, the edge goes to that guy.

And if I recall correctly, Carter wasn't the best lockerroom presence on many of those Vikings teams.

Carter gets in, but not before Monk.

[DiamondDave]

IMHO Carter is a lock.... Monk should not get in... Monk was never a prolonged 1st tier dominant player at his position in his day... longevity and above average play, IMHO, does not earn you a place among the elites except for anything you may have in all time leaderboards.. the HoF needs to be a place for the truly exceptional, and Monk just was not that..... I think the HoF already has enough undeserving players "immortalized" (Bradshaw, Namath, Stallworth, etc)

[Stlouistravis]

Originally Posted by bedir than average

Because Monk played for Gibbs and Green (Carter's coach) learned from Gibbs. The two were used in the same role in the same 3 receiver set for the peak period of their careers.

Makes absolutely No sense whatsoever.

If anything he owes it to Denny Green for realizing that his skills would work well in that 3 receiver set...Again...Monk has absolutely nothing to do with Carter's success and i believe that Art would be the first to say it.

Carter had possibly the best hands in history and made that "Getting your feet in by the tips and falling out of bounds" catch his signature catch.

Now every receiver puts it in his arsenal...and in fact Braylon Edwards has a drill for it in his pregame warm ups.

Carter was also very physically gifted in terms of his athleticism, something that Monk had nothing to do with.

There were guys doing what Monk did before Monk did it, so by your rationale Carter really owes it to the guy who Taught Gibbs how to coach and the receivers that this guy used in his offense.

I rest my case....Art Monk is not the End all to which receivers owe their success to.

[Stlouistravis]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

When you have two players with similar stats at similar positions in similar offensive systems, but one came before the other, defined that position, had already been snubbed by the HOF in years past and played on four Super Bowl teams to the other's zero, the edge goes to that guy.

And if I recall correctly, Carter wasn't the best lockerroom presence on many of those Vikings teams.

Carter gets in, but not before Monk.

First of all, Their numbers are not that similar...Carter is ahead in most categories over Monk.
Secondly, since when did Art Monk define or redefine the WR position?

When you talk about a player defining or redifining a position, it must be a player who has totally done things at the position that no one else has ever done...SUCH AS LAWRENCE TAYLOR AT OLB! Monk never did anything that set him apart from other receivers in his era......Jerry Rice would be the example for the WR position....not Monk!

[adeel]

I don't know about Monk, but I can't believe Carter wasn't selected. Carter is 2nd all-time in receptions, 6th in yards, and 2nd in receptions. He scored 130 touchdowns!

The Super Bowl argument is absolutely meaningless. Phil Simms has two rings, Doug Williams has one, Trent Dilfer has one, and Drew Bledsoe played in one.

Carter is one of the greatest receivers the game has ever seen. He should be in, without question.

[bedir than average]

There were guys doing what Monk did before Monk did it

Name them, in the 3 WR, 2 back set that Gibbs used, that Monk did so well that Green copied the system.

[djwhokid]

Originally Posted by bedir than average

Well, that and Monk basically defined that role as a wide out. Before Carter there was Monk. Carter literally wouldn't have had a position if not for Monk, except as a 3rd wideout.

Carter will get in, eventually, but there is no way a follower should get in before the leader.

The system is still screwed up. Art Monk came before Michael Irvin yet Irvin got in the Hall of Fame last year over Monk.

Makes 0 sense.