KG to Boston, done ?

BravesRule22 · 07-31-2007, 12:45 AM

Well there are rumors all over ESPN and several Boston outlets that the deal is done.

The rumored deal appears to be :

Al Jefferson, Telfair, Greene, Ratliff for KG

All I can say is Danny Ainge sold the future for the next 2-3 years and trying to win a ring. It might pay off because a 3some of KG, PP and Ray Ray in a weak East could easily make the Celtics the frontrunner for the East crown.

But the cost of Jefferson and Greene might be too high. I just cant see trading Al Jefferson, a 21 year old young stud double, double center who is ONLY getting better. Even if its for KG, I still dont think I trade AJ for KG straight up....

But if it gets the Celtics to the promised land then Ainge will be praised

djwhokid · 07-31-2007, 01:57 PM

Danny Ainge is like the fantasy basketball GM that offers all his garbage players for the other teams best player. I cannot believe Kevin McHale was dumb enough to accept the deal.

It is quite simple. Kevin Garnett is a franchise player, one of the best players in the league. Al Jefferson is a good young player but he probably will never approach KG status. As good as Jefferson was last year, he led the Celtics to 22 wins in the weak East. Let us also see him average a double-double in the western conference.

Sebastian Telfair actually is quite a below-average PG who brings nothing but untapped potential. The Celtics would probably be better off just signing a veteran like Troy Hudson, Earl Boykins, or Brevin Knight.

Ryan Gomes' role on the team will be replaced by Glen Davis. Davis can't shoot but the Celtics do not need any more scorers.

Gerald Green like Telfair was quite mediocre last year. He has loads of potential but I don't see him being a star in his league. He is a scorer and he had no role with the Celtics given that they have three prolific scorers on their roster.

Basically the T-Wolves traded KG for one good player and crap. Last year they declined a deal from the Bulls for Tyson Chandler, Luol Deng, and the #2 Pick (either Aldridge or Roy)

dlb · 08-01-2007, 11:21 AM

The Celtics are so bad that almost any deal is a good one.

Zen653 · 08-02-2007, 08:16 PM

How exactly are the Celtics bad? Name me one team in the Eastern Conference that boasts three legitimate All-Stars. Boston is probably the best team in the Eastern Conference now. Garnett-Pierce-Allen is one heck of a trio. As a Boston fan, I'm thrilled. This Celtics team is leaps and bounds ahead of the Cleveland team that reached the NBA Finals last year. And once in the Finals, anything could happen with a championship-starved franchise player like Garnett and a top 15 player in Paul Pierce.

Best of all, the Celtics didn't surrender anyone of import outside of Al Jefferson who can't play a lick of defense. Let's see Jefferson average a double-double in the Western Conference and develop a semblance of a defensive game. It's not going to happen. Plus even if it does, there's a strong likelihood that Jefferson will be one and done in Minnesota. He's a free agent at the end of the year and probably won't want to stay in Minneapolis. He absolutey despises Mark Blount from their days together in Boston. Team chemistry is going to be a major problem for the Timberwolves. My prediction: Jefferson will be somewhere else - maybe even back in Boston - for the 2008-09 season.

With this deal, the Timberwolves now have 8 former Celtics players on their roster: Mark Blount, Ricky Davis, Justin Reed, Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair and Theo Ratliff. There will be no need for introductions in Minnesota training camp.

dlb · 08-02-2007, 09:54 PM

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How exactly are the Celtics bad?

06 - 07 record: 24 - 58. They were better than Memphis and no one else.

Like I said, any move was a good one.

Zen653 · 08-02-2007, 10:34 PM

I thought you were referring to the current incarnation of the Celtics as bad.

dlb · 08-02-2007, 10:49 PM

No, they're just unproven.

unreal654 · 08-03-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zen653

Name me one team in the Eastern Conference that boasts three legitimate All-Stars.

You're right, there aren't any.

unreal654 · 08-03-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zen653

This Celtics team is leaps and bounds ahead of the Cleveland team that reached the NBA Finals last year. And once in the Finals, anything could happen with a championship-starved franchise player like Garnett and a top 15 player in Paul Pierce.

You are being WAY too opimistic. The Celtics finished in LAST PLACE in the worst division in basketball. How about going for a winning record first? I don't see how replacing Al Jefferson with Kevin Garnett gives you 26 more wins. Not to mention, both Pierce and KG are aging. I highly doubt we will be seeing the Celts in the finals this year.

dlb · 08-04-2007, 11:20 AM

I wonder about Paul Pierce, too. Is he tired of being the shine on the sh--pile and ready to do more than just jack it up at every opportunity, so that his team might actually win a few games? Or is he destined to be just another pouting prima donna who sucks the air out the ball and, along with it, all of his team's chances for top-tier status?

bedir than average · 08-04-2007, 12:21 PM

I'm with dlb on this. Paul Pierce this year will have the opportunity to prove he is actually a talented basketball player concerned about team wins, or to show that he is a petty playgrounder who wound up with a contract.

BravesRule22 · 08-04-2007, 05:31 PM

Name me one team in the Eastern Conference that boasts three legitimate All-Stars.

Gilbert, Twan, Caron

Prince, Billups, Sheed

Gordon, Deng, Wallace

Steph, Zach, Curry

Those groupings all have been AllStars aside from Eddie Curry

Not saying any of those 3somes are on the level of Bostons.....but those 3somes have much better supporting casts than Boston can dream of having.

Zen653 · 08-09-2007, 04:10 AM

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You are being WAY too opimistic. The Celtics finished in LAST PLACE in the worst division in basketball. How about going for a winning record first? I don't see how replacing Al Jefferson with Kevin Garnett gives you 26 more wins. Not to mention, both Pierce and KG are aging. I highly doubt we will be seeing the Celts in the finals this year.

Pierce is 29. Garnett is 31. That's not old. You are also conveniently neglecting to mention the addition of All-Star Ray Allen, who averaged 26 points per game last year - the highest scoring average in his career.

Yes, the Celtics finished with the worst record in the Eastern Conference last year (with Pierce injured for much of it.) But that Celtics team hardly resembles the current one. You honestly think Boston will struggle to achieve a winning record despite having three players each with at least 5 All-Star appearances? You really think that even just having Paul Pierce healthy for a full complement of games won't make a substantial difference? How would your Cavaliers have fared without LeBron James for 40 games?

As for Garnett replacing Jefferson, that's a major upgrade. While Jefferson came close to matching Garnett's raw offensive numbers, Jefferson doesn't have the same shooting range, consistency or defensive prowess. Basketball requires good play at both ends of the floor and Jefferson was a major liability on defense. That's not going to be a problem with Garnett.

Using Cleveland as an example, tell me how teams are supposed to guard against the Celtics next year. You won't be able to win games anymore by double and even triple-teaming Pierce. If you give him double coverage, then Allen or Garnett each only have to deal with one defender. The Celtics will present matchup problems for nearly every team in the league. Pick your poison - Pierce, Allen, or Garnett?

And before someone brings up Ray Allen's ankle condition, the doctors have said that he's fully recovered from it and should be as good as new. Maybe he'll be slightly past his prime but great shooters don't suddenly lose their shooting touch. They're the ones who last the longest in this league. Plus it's not as though he has to carry this team - Garnett and Pierce, still well within their respective primes - will shoulder the load. Allen merely needs to be a semi-reliable third option.

dlb · 08-09-2007, 01:38 PM

At 29 and 31 years of age, Pierce and Garnett are moving past their primes. Neither will perform above the highest level he has achieved so far. Garnett will drop off first, as early as next year, as late as two years from now; and Pierce will be two years behind him.

This Celtics team does look good on paper, but it hasn't achieved anything yet. Breaking the .500 barrier would be an astounding improvement.

kflo · 08-09-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BravesRule22

Name me one team in the Eastern Conference that boasts three legitimate All-Stars.

Gilbert, Twan, Caron

Prince, Billups, Sheed

Gordon, Deng, Wallace

Steph, Zach, Curry

Those groupings all have been AllStars aside from Eddie Curry

Not saying any of those 3somes are on the level of Bostons.....but those 3somes have much better supporting casts than Boston can dream of having.

prince, gordon and deng haven't been allstars.

07-31-2007, 12:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	KG to Boston, done ? Well there are rumors all over ESPN and several Boston outlets that the deal is done. The rumored deal appears to be : Al Jefferson, Telfair, Greene, Ratliff for KG All I can say is Danny Ainge sold the future for the next 2-3 years and trying to win a ring. It might pay off because a 3some of KG, PP and Ray Ray in a weak East could easily make the Celtics the frontrunner for the East crown. But the cost of Jefferson and Greene might be too high. I just cant see trading Al Jefferson, a 21 year old young stud double, double center who is ONLY getting better. Even if its for KG, I still dont think I trade AJ for KG straight up.... But if it gets the Celtics to the promised land then Ainge will be praised __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

08-04-2007, 12:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	I'm with dlb on this. Paul Pierce this year will have the opportunity to prove he is actually a talented basketball player concerned about team wins, or to show that he is a petty playgrounder who wound up with a contract. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

08-04-2007, 05:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Name me one team in the Eastern Conference that boasts three legitimate All-Stars. Gilbert, Twan, Caron Prince, Billups, Sheed Gordon, Deng, Wallace Steph, Zach, Curry Those groupings all have been AllStars aside from Eddie Curry Not saying any of those 3somes are on the level of Bostons.....but those 3somes have much better supporting casts than Boston can dream of having. __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

08-01-2007, 11:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
dlb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,583	The Celtics are so bad that almost any deal is a good one.

08-02-2007, 08:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,731	How exactly are the Celtics bad? Name me one team in the Eastern Conference that boasts three legitimate All-Stars. Boston is probably the best team in the Eastern Conference now. Garnett-Pierce-Allen is one heck of a trio. As a Boston fan, I'm thrilled. This Celtics team is leaps and bounds ahead of the Cleveland team that reached the NBA Finals last year. And once in the Finals, anything could happen with a championship-starved franchise player like Garnett and a top 15 player in Paul Pierce. Best of all, the Celtics didn't surrender anyone of import outside of Al Jefferson who can't play a lick of defense. Let's see Jefferson average a double-double in the Western Conference and develop a semblance of a defensive game. It's not going to happen. Plus even if it does, there's a strong likelihood that Jefferson will be one and done in Minnesota. He's a free agent at the end of the year and probably won't want to stay in Minneapolis. He absolutey despises Mark Blount from their days together in Boston. Team chemistry is going to be a major problem for the Timberwolves. My prediction: Jefferson will be somewhere else - maybe even back in Boston - for the 2008-09 season. With this deal, the Timberwolves now have 8 former Celtics players on their roster: Mark Blount, Ricky Davis, Justin Reed, Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair and Theo Ratliff. There will be no need for introductions in Minnesota training camp.

08-02-2007, 10:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,731	I thought you were referring to the current incarnation of the Celtics as bad.

08-02-2007, 10:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
dlb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,583	No, they're just unproven.

08-04-2007, 11:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
dlb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,583	I wonder about Paul Pierce, too. Is he tired of being the shine on the sh--pile and ready to do more than just jack it up at every opportunity, so that his team might actually win a few games? Or is he destined to be just another pouting prima donna who sucks the air out the ball and, along with it, all of his team's chances for top-tier status?

08-09-2007, 01:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
dlb Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,583	At 29 and 31 years of age, Pierce and Garnett are moving past their primes. Neither will perform above the highest level he has achieved so far. Garnett will drop off first, as early as next year, as late as two years from now; and Pierce will be two years behind him. This Celtics team does look good on paper, but it hasn't achieved anything yet. Breaking the .500 barrier would be an astounding improvement.