Is Zeke that dumb?

[TexasG]

Personally I would like to see the Knicks do well. I just think that they are setting themselves up to fail by bringing in Randolph and trying to trade for Artest. Randolph is not so much the problem from my point of view as is Artest.

Artest WILL find a way to tear apart that team from the inside. That's just what he does. At this point in his life and his career I don't see him changing. Maybe if he was going to a team that was already winning and he was the final piece to put them over the top it would be a good fit but the Knicks are no where being a good team. Sure they made the playoffs recently but come on now, it's the Eastern Conference. Being a low seeded team in the East is not saying much. I just think that once the team starts losing he will either try to take over and stop passing the ball to Marbury, Randolph, and Curry or he will get disinterested and abandon the team. Either way, not good.

[dlb]

Artest probably has a couple of good years left in him, but I doubt he'll keep Effectiveness Rating at its current 19.44 level. Usually, when you pull in a guy who's pushing 30, you're looking for a mature stabilizing force. Artest won't fill that bill.

Curry is just another player. He's in the prime of his career and carries an Eff Rating of 16.16. His scoring average jumped this year, but is likely at or near its peak. He's good but not great.

Looking at the numbers, Randolph will be the best player on your team next year. I'm not sure if he was the Blazers best player, but they finished at 32-50. That's even worse than the Knicks.

Crawford, also in his prime, is a mediocre guard who can't hit 3s. And with an overall scoring rate of 40%, his 17.6 ppg lead me to believe that he just chucks it up a lot.

Marbury is another mediocrity, and you can be sure his game won't get any better now that he's over 30.

If this team comes together, works hard and stays healthy, it has an honest chance of breaking .500. Don't count on it, though; there is much more that can go wrong here than can go right.

[BravesRule22]

Curry is just another player. He's in the prime of his career and carries an Eff Rating of 16.16. His scoring average jumped this year, but is likely at or near its peak. He's good but not great.

You realize that Curry is JUST 24 right ?

Hes not close to his prime, hes only going to get better.

[dlb]

I think a player's prime runs from about 25 - 30, so at 24, Curry is just entering his prime. As for whether he's going to get better, who knows? The chances are just as good that he'll maintain this level for the next five years.

[BravesRule22]

How can 24 be someones prime, thats just 2 years out of college ?

I think players prime are usually considered to be 28-32

[dlb]

After 30 the body wears down and you lose a little in athleticism but (oddly) gain a tad in endurance. If we were spreadsheet junkies, we could settle this objectively by tracking players' eff ratings throughout their careers. The ages in which the ratings were highest would be the prime.

[BravesRule22]

That would take far too much work for me lol

[JoseA]

His track record speaks for himself, since Joining the Knicks here is how they have done:

Season -W - L - PCT
2003–04 39 43 .476
2004–05 33 49 .402
2005–06 23 59 .280
2006-07 33 49 .402

Might I add only 1 playoff appearance and they were swept out in the first round!

[BravesRule22]

And its unfair for you to not take into account the team he took over.

If you think this is a mess, you only think its a mess because you think hes bringing in " thugs ", but try being a Knick fan before Isiah our team was full of non-talented overpaid vets.

Now with Isiah, yes we still have overpaid players BUT we have gotten younger and TALENTED players, which is the key

This is a BIG year for Isiah, if we dont make the playoffs and play well then its a huge black mark for him

[JoseA]

The Previous 4 seasons before Isiah arrived-

2002-03 37 - 45 .451
2001-02 30 - 52 .366
2000-01 48 - 34 .585
1999-00 50 - 32 .610

Looks better than before he arrived, doesn't it....

Isiah often cuts or trades away players he had paid a high price for in trades. And this makes him a good GM? Are you joking me?

Two seasons ago the Knicks had the highest payroll in the NBA, and had the second worst record.....And that is not a gm's fault?

Oh, so you would think the Knicks would have had the number 2 pick in 2006....Umm, wait Isiah traded away that pick

[BravesRule22]

Looks better than before he arrived, doesn't it....

No, no it doesnt the 2 years before he arrived were 52 and 45 lose seasons. Looks the same to me ...

THen you take a look at the talent we have now compared to those days then its clear to see that Isiah is moving in the right direction.

Here is the 02-03 team :

Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell, Kurt Thomas, Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Othella Harrington, Charlie Ward, Clarence Weatherspoon, Lee Nailon, Mike Doleac, Lavor Postell, Travis Knight, Frank Williams

Give me a freaking break...that team is awful and has not even close to the amount of talent the current team has

Isiah often cuts or trades away players he had paid a high price for in trades. And this makes him a good GM? Are you joking me?

Like who ?

We traded trevor ariza away for Francis id hardly call that a HIGH price....

Oh, so you would think the Knicks would have had the number 2 pick in 2006....Umm, wait Isiah traded away that pick

LOL ask any Knick fan who would rather have Ty Thomas, LaMarcus Alridge or Eddie Curry.....the answer is Eddie Curry