Knicks sign Kentucky F-C Randolph Morris

JoseA · 03-23-2007, 06:21 PM

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NEW YORK (Ticker) - Isiah Thomas has shown he will stop at nothing to overhaul the New York Knicks' roster, even if it means dipping into the college ranks.

Thomas, the Knicks' coach and president of basketball operations, announced Friday the signing of Kentucky forward-center Randolph Morris. Terms were not disclosed.

Morris, an All-Southeastern Conference selection this season, had earned free agent status through a unique set of circumstances. He declared himself eligible for the 2005 NBA draft following his freshman year but did not sign with an agent.

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Another loss for Kentucky after losing Tubby Smith.....

I didn't even know that this was legal, but supposedly it was. Morris entered the draft two seasons ago and went undrafted and was reinstated....

This is just odd to me and kind of caught me off guard. I don't think this if fair and I think Morris should have been forced to enter the draft again.

The Knicks needed another big body and this looks like a great move

BravesRule22 · 03-23-2007, 08:35 PM

Its due to a " Loop Hole " in the CBA...

Morris entered the draft after his freshman season @ Kentucky, he wasnt drafted but was allowed to come back to Kentucky since he didnt sign with an agent. He has to sit out 14 games and that was it.....

Now because he already entered the draft he can NOT re-enter the draft making him a FA and any team can sign him.

This is a GREAT move by the Knicks. Its like adding another 1st round pick this year. This kid improved my leaps and bounds this year and was Kentuckys leading scoring and rebounding along with their best player.

We signed him for 2 years, he wont play this year but hopefully he can turn into something next year

JoseA · 03-25-2007, 05:31 PM

I still think its a croc....I know it was a loophole, but I don't think its fair.
Like you said Randolph may have been a 1st round pick and the Knicks get him without having to draft him....

Isiah was pushing for the move, what do all the Knicks fans think of Isiah now?

BravesRule22 · 03-25-2007, 05:52 PM

Most of us like him as a coach and hate him as a GM ( Other than his Drafting skills which are great )

I know its a crappy loophole but I love it for us because it lands us a mid-late 1st round C for only 2 mil.

Isiah has had a roster spot open for about a month now and we all wondered why he hadnt signed anyone and now it comes out that he had his eye on Morris the whole time.

This is a great move, I cant say that enough

JoseA · 03-28-2007, 02:56 PM

Knicks fans....

What do you think of Isiah's contract getting renewed and then the Knicks lose 6 of the next 7?

Personally I think Isiah should just stop being associated with the NBA! I think he would make a great college recruiter, maybe even a coach....

BravesRule22 · 03-28-2007, 03:04 PM

NBA players love him, just look at J Oneal, even after a couple of years JO still has Isiahs back and could result in JO coming to NY.

Isiah shouldnt be a GM but he is a good coach. We will be alot better next year and would be shocked if we arent in the playoffs.

Us losing 6 of 7 has nothing to do with Isiah gettig re-uped

JoseA · 03-28-2007, 03:07 PM

But don't you think Dolan pulled the gun too soon?

I mean they had the 8th seed in the playoffs, and I think that is the only reason his contract was renewed. The Knicks are now 2 games or so back from the 8th seed.....

Bad move by the GM Dolan I think. I thought all Knicks fans disliked Isiah?!

BravesRule22 · 03-28-2007, 04:56 PM

Nah, the most of us like him as a coach

Dolan said that the #1 thing he wanted to see for Isiah to return was the team to improve. And if you watched us this year there is no doubt that we have.

There was never any doubt that Isiah wouldnt be back

JoseA · 03-28-2007, 05:01 PM

Well, considering the amount of the salery for the Knicks they have still greatly,greatly underacheived.

I don't think an underacheiving coach who built the same team should be sticking with the franchise. Sure they improved, but Isiah caused the mess in the 1st place. The team is underpayed and don't have a disciplarian as a coach. From what it sounds like Isiah is more of a friend to the players then a coach....

BravesRule22 · 03-28-2007, 05:13 PM

I dont think its a bad thing that he built this team, you say it like this team has no talent.

He took the Knicks from 1 of the oldest teams in the NBA to 1 of the youngest in a matter of 2 years. Hes drafts have been as good as any GM's in the league considering where we drafted.

This team is finally taking shape and as I said we should be a playoff team next year, no doubt about it.

Has he given out bad contracts ? Sure, but what does that matter, the Knicks will NEVER be under the cap, NEVER....So its not a big deal

JoseA · 03-28-2007, 08:17 PM

I believe the Knicks have several ego problems, and like you said its Isiah fault the way he built the team.

Bad Egos of big stars
Francis
Maubarry
Curry

Will Quentin Richardson ever be healthy by the way?
I think the Knicks have too much invested at the guard posistion, why not deal Crawford?
Steve Francis just rolled his ankle tonight.....

I'm just saying if you spend that much money you should make the playoffs. The Knicks have been spending, but not much results have been seen. The Isiah years have been miserable, even though the team is improving. If he finishes the season horribly I say can him, even though he got his contract. I know it would be a waste of money just like with Larry Brown, but you can't bring the same low expectations back the next season to a fairly talented team that is being held back.....

BravesRule22 · 03-28-2007, 08:33 PM

Francis was NOT a Isiah move, Larry Brown wanted him so Isiah traded for him, Francis is on LB's head not Isiah's.

As for Curry, a ego ??? Not even close, the guy is as nice a guy as you can hope for. He is very quiet and doesnt say a word.

Steph, yea he has an ego but so what......we traded Kurt Thomas, a forgein G who has never played a minute in the NBA and a F ( Machje Lampe ) who never did anything for Steph......I would do thate deal every day of week even KNOWING what the results have been.

Francis will be traded in the offseason or cut....no lose there........

Crawford should NOT be traded he is our best clutch player and aside from Q our best outside shooter, we need outside shooters no way we deal 1 of our best ones

Q plays the SF so I dont see how we have a jam @ the G spot Next year we will have :

Steph, Craw, Nate.....thats it.....

I fully expect Isiah to make a move on a big PF to play along side Curry and if he can land that, assuming he will trade off Frye as the chip in the trade then I dont see why we cant win our divison next year

JoseA · 03-28-2007, 08:40 PM

From last I looked at it David Lee was doing a pretty darn good job playing PF 11 ppg with 10 rpg....I know he is not the big dominant force, and he is 6 foot 9, but once again this Knick is injured.

As for Francis he has done absolutely nothing this season, maybe Q would be valuable if he could play more than 60 games in a season. Q could also play SG too, but I see the Knicks use him as an SF. I apologize for saying the Knicks should get rid of Crawford, I just looked him up and he is soild, like we both agree Francis should be the guy axed.

Frye, Curry, and Lee could handle the PF-C rotation pretty good, the Knicks main concern should be getting a SF that will actually play the whole season! Plus they got Randolph Morris another big man, they need a SF period.

BravesRule22 · 03-28-2007, 09:21 PM

Yes David Lee is nice and he gets the 10 boards a game but I mean a shot blocking PF like a JO. Curry doesnt block shots, niether does Lee or Frye we NEED someone that can block shots to play along side Curry.

Morris will be asked to spell Curry next year, I would think that would be is role. I dont see him getting many, if any minutes @ the PF spot.

As for the SF spot, eh, I doesnt have to be a SF we just need someone that can come off the bench and hit a 3 or an open shot. There are rumors that will go after Kapano ( who will be a FA ) WE have Q, Jefferies and Balkman to man the 3, it doesnt have to be a 3.

JoseA · 04-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Anyone still think Isiah is the man for the job?

Cause I definetly don't....The Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10.....How can anyone call him a good coach, for that matter a decent coach. He has a bunch of talented young players and veterans, yet he can't even when with them.

Sure he improved them, but this team should have been a playoff team. His extension is the biggest joke in all of the NBA, and it goes to show the "dumbness" of some NBA franchises.

03-23-2007, 08:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Its due to a " Loop Hole " in the CBA... Morris entered the draft after his freshman season @ Kentucky, he wasnt drafted but was allowed to come back to Kentucky since he didnt sign with an agent. He has to sit out 14 games and that was it..... Now because he already entered the draft he can NOT re-enter the draft making him a FA and any team can sign him. This is a GREAT move by the Knicks. Its like adding another 1st round pick this year. This kid improved my leaps and bounds this year and was Kentuckys leading scoring and rebounding along with their best player. We signed him for 2 years, he wont play this year but hopefully he can turn into something next year __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

03-25-2007, 05:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	I still think its a croc....I know it was a loophole, but I don't think its fair. Like you said Randolph may have been a 1st round pick and the Knicks get him without having to draft him.... Isiah was pushing for the move, what do all the Knicks fans think of Isiah now? __________________ Register here and join the discussion

03-25-2007, 05:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Most of us like him as a coach and hate him as a GM ( Other than his Drafting skills which are great ) I know its a crappy loophole but I love it for us because it lands us a mid-late 1st round C for only 2 mil. Isiah has had a roster spot open for about a month now and we all wondered why he hadnt signed anyone and now it comes out that he had his eye on Morris the whole time. This is a great move, I cant say that enough __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

03-28-2007, 02:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	Knicks fans.... What do you think of Isiah's contract getting renewed and then the Knicks lose 6 of the next 7? Personally I think Isiah should just stop being associated with the NBA! I think he would make a great college recruiter, maybe even a coach.... __________________ Register here and join the discussion

03-28-2007, 03:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	NBA players love him, just look at J Oneal, even after a couple of years JO still has Isiahs back and could result in JO coming to NY. Isiah shouldnt be a GM but he is a good coach. We will be alot better next year and would be shocked if we arent in the playoffs. Us losing 6 of 7 has nothing to do with Isiah gettig re-uped __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

03-28-2007, 03:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	But don't you think Dolan pulled the gun too soon? I mean they had the 8th seed in the playoffs, and I think that is the only reason his contract was renewed. The Knicks are now 2 games or so back from the 8th seed..... Bad move by the GM Dolan I think. I thought all Knicks fans disliked Isiah?! __________________ Register here and join the discussion

03-28-2007, 04:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Nah, the most of us like him as a coach Dolan said that the #1 thing he wanted to see for Isiah to return was the team to improve. And if you watched us this year there is no doubt that we have. There was never any doubt that Isiah wouldnt be back __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

03-28-2007, 05:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	Well, considering the amount of the salery for the Knicks they have still greatly,greatly underacheived. I don't think an underacheiving coach who built the same team should be sticking with the franchise. Sure they improved, but Isiah caused the mess in the 1st place. The team is underpayed and don't have a disciplarian as a coach. From what it sounds like Isiah is more of a friend to the players then a coach.... __________________ Register here and join the discussion

03-28-2007, 05:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	I dont think its a bad thing that he built this team, you say it like this team has no talent. He took the Knicks from 1 of the oldest teams in the NBA to 1 of the youngest in a matter of 2 years. Hes drafts have been as good as any GM's in the league considering where we drafted. This team is finally taking shape and as I said we should be a playoff team next year, no doubt about it. Has he given out bad contracts ? Sure, but what does that matter, the Knicks will NEVER be under the cap, NEVER....So its not a big deal __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

03-28-2007, 08:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	I believe the Knicks have several ego problems, and like you said its Isiah fault the way he built the team. Bad Egos of big stars Francis Maubarry Curry Will Quentin Richardson ever be healthy by the way? I think the Knicks have too much invested at the guard posistion, why not deal Crawford? Steve Francis just rolled his ankle tonight..... I'm just saying if you spend that much money you should make the playoffs. The Knicks have been spending, but not much results have been seen. The Isiah years have been miserable, even though the team is improving. If he finishes the season horribly I say can him, even though he got his contract. I know it would be a waste of money just like with Larry Brown, but you can't bring the same low expectations back the next season to a fairly talented team that is being held back..... __________________ Register here and join the discussion

03-28-2007, 08:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Francis was NOT a Isiah move, Larry Brown wanted him so Isiah traded for him, Francis is on LB's head not Isiah's. As for Curry, a ego ??? Not even close, the guy is as nice a guy as you can hope for. He is very quiet and doesnt say a word. Steph, yea he has an ego but so what......we traded Kurt Thomas, a forgein G who has never played a minute in the NBA and a F ( Machje Lampe ) who never did anything for Steph......I would do thate deal every day of week even KNOWING what the results have been. Francis will be traded in the offseason or cut....no lose there........ Crawford should NOT be traded he is our best clutch player and aside from Q our best outside shooter, we need outside shooters no way we deal 1 of our best ones Q plays the SF so I dont see how we have a jam @ the G spot Next year we will have : Steph, Craw, Nate.....thats it..... I fully expect Isiah to make a move on a big PF to play along side Curry and if he can land that, assuming he will trade off Frye as the chip in the trade then I dont see why we cant win our divison next year __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

03-28-2007, 08:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	From last I looked at it David Lee was doing a pretty darn good job playing PF 11 ppg with 10 rpg....I know he is not the big dominant force, and he is 6 foot 9, but once again this Knick is injured. As for Francis he has done absolutely nothing this season, maybe Q would be valuable if he could play more than 60 games in a season. Q could also play SG too, but I see the Knicks use him as an SF. I apologize for saying the Knicks should get rid of Crawford, I just looked him up and he is soild, like we both agree Francis should be the guy axed. Frye, Curry, and Lee could handle the PF-C rotation pretty good, the Knicks main concern should be getting a SF that will actually play the whole season! Plus they got Randolph Morris another big man, they need a SF period. __________________ Register here and join the discussion

03-28-2007, 09:21 PM	#14 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	Yes David Lee is nice and he gets the 10 boards a game but I mean a shot blocking PF like a JO. Curry doesnt block shots, niether does Lee or Frye we NEED someone that can block shots to play along side Curry. Morris will be asked to spell Curry next year, I would think that would be is role. I dont see him getting many, if any minutes @ the PF spot. As for the SF spot, eh, I doesnt have to be a SF we just need someone that can come off the bench and hit a 3 or an open shot. There are rumors that will go after Kapano ( who will be a FA ) WE have Q, Jefferies and Balkman to man the 3, it doesnt have to be a 3. __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

04-11-2007, 04:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
JoseA Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,097	Anyone still think Isiah is the man for the job? Cause I definetly don't....The Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10.....How can anyone call him a good coach, for that matter a decent coach. He has a bunch of talented young players and veterans, yet he can't even when with them. Sure he improved them, but this team should have been a playoff team. His extension is the biggest joke in all of the NBA, and it goes to show the "dumbness" of some NBA franchises. __________________ Register here and join the discussion