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Old November 17th, 2007, 01:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The big 3 looks pretty good.

I think if they can get a better backup PG than Tony Allen/Gabe Pruitt they can be a threat to win the whole damn thing.

They also could use an extra big man. If they can somehow convince P.J. Brown to come out of retirement and waive Leon Powe, that would make them more dangerous.

I like Big Baby, he has a lot of potential, but he needs more seasoning at the NBADL.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 11:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Tony Allen was a stud last year before he got hurt but hes more suited for the 2 guard.

They need a good vet PG to run things when Rondo needs a rest ala Gary Payton
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 12:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The Celtics are a league-best 14-2 through 16 games. Some called me a homer for daring to predict good things for this year's Boston squad. I think the Celtics are proving me right thus far.

The NBA is the easiest league to predict. Amass enough All-Stars and you win.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 01:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I admit I was wrong about the Celtics. They are legit, and have far exceeded my expectations.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 01:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I was wrong about the Cavaliers. I didn't think they'd have enough to compete this year. LeBron James has been phenomenal and should be a frontrunner for the MVP Award.

For whatever reason, the Cavs play the Celtics tough. I think some of that has to do with Drew Gooden's career quarter in the game in Cleveland, and Ray Allen's choke job, but a lot of it has to do with LeBron James owning the Celtics.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 01:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Through the first 32 games of the season, the Celtics were an astoundingly good 29-3. For the last 8 games, they've been 4-4, losing to the Bobcats, Wizards (twice) and Raptors.

I'm not sure what to make of the recent slide. Garnett and Pierce have been consistently great all year, with few off-nights on offense and no off-nights on defense. Honestly, I've never seen Pierce play better defense at any time in his career; he deserves to make an All-Defensive team.

Lots of other players are contributing too, from Rajon Rondo to Tony Allen to Eddie House to James Posey to guys like Big Baby and Leon Powe (in recent games.)

Ray Allen has been a disappointment with his low shooting percentage and spotty defense but it's not as though he's dragging the team down or failing to contribute. Just the other night against Portland he scored 35 points and absolutely dominated. He's also the author of two buzzer-beating victories this year, so it's tough to be too hard on him.

Yet something seems wrong with this team. No championship-contender should get smoked at home by the Bobcats. No championship-contender should be out-scored at home by 26-5 to close out a game (the second loss to the Wizards.) Boston seems to go cold at the worst time possible, allowing leads of 5-12 points to completely evaporate during the closing minutes of the fourth quarter.

I doubt it's because guys are getting tired - Doc Rivers goes to his bench for 10 minute stretches at a time. I don't think it's because of a lack of intensity either. Not once have I questioned the team's effort (the Celtics are almost always active on defense, holding teams to under 100 points in 22 consecutive games until today's debacle against Toronto.)

Could it be that some teams play extra hard against the Celtics and simply have a freakishly good night? That would explain tonight's loss to Toronto where the Raptors shot 15-21 from three-point land and didn't miss a single free-throw in a narrow 2-point victory. But it doesn't explain the losses to the Bobcats and Wizards - games in which the Celtics were in control well into the 4th quarter, only to completely fall apart at the end and start missing nearly every shot.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that these are the five problems:

1. Too many unnecessary passes. While normally you want teams to share the ball, the Celtics do it to an extreme. Garnett, Rondo, Tony Allen and even former ballhog Paul Pierce pass up a ton of open shots in order to get the ball to a teammate. And about a tenth of the time that they do this, they're firing the ball to someone in heavy traffic who is in a vastly inferior shooting position. The recipient of the pass then throws up a prayer or turns the ball over. While every tenth time may not seem like a lot, it adds up over the course of 48 minutes. I can't begin to tell you how frustrating it is (especially late in the 4th quarter of a close game) to see Garnett, Rondo or Pierce drive to the basket for what should be a high percentage floater, only to kick the ball out to an off-balanced, heavily-guarded Ray Allen who then misses the shot. Or how frustrating it is to watch Garnett pass up a dunk for a behind-the-back bullet pass to Kendrick Perkins' ankles, only to have the ball careen out of bounds, or into the hands of an opposing player.

2. No backup point guard. Rajon Rondo, when healthy (he's been somewhat limited by a back ailment), can set the offense and distribute the ball reasonably well. He's a decent assists man and usually a good defender. He can out-run people and penetrate lanes with the grace of Alex English. What Rondo lacks in consistent shooting he compensates for in athleticism and guile. But when he's out of the game, the Celtics can barely even bring the ball up the court. It's embarrassing. Other teams trap Eddie House, Tony Allen, Ray Allen, James Posey, or whoever it is who brings the ball up. And it works. The guy ends up in the corner with two defenders swallowing him up. When you waste half the shot clock trying to pass out of traffic, you make it much harder to set the offense, run a pick, and drive to the basket. The best way to resolve this problem is to simply sign a pure point guard. If the Grizzlies buy-out Damon Stoudamire, the Celtics should sign him in a nanosecond.

3. Over-reliance on Ray Allen. I don't know if he finally got old or if the ankles are bothering him more than he lets on. What I do know is that he's not the All-Star Ray Allen of Seattle fame. He's had more bad games than good ones by almost a 3 to 1 margin. He's not only bricking outside shots, he's airmailing them. And over the last few games, he's even been missing wide-open layups. Doc Rivers is partly to blame here because he continues to stubbornly play Ray Allen more minutes than anyone else on many nights despite his mediocrity. One of the bench players will be having a great game (like Tony Allen scoring 14 points in 7 minutes against the Raptors today) and Rivers will inexplicably pull him in order to make sure that Ray Allen gets his 38 minutes. On the last play of tonight's game, the Celtics trailed by 2 and had an opportunity to force overtime with 10 seconds left. House side-rimmed a three, and the rebound went to Ray Allen who missed a 2-foot hook shot. Earlier in the year, the Celtics had an opportunity to win a game in Cleveland if Ray Allen could hit one of two free throws at the end of regulation. He missed them both. As I said earlier, he's not the main problem, and he does have his moments. He's just not panning out the way Celtics fans had hoped.

4. Substitution patterns. One of the pre-season criticisms about this year's Celtics team was that it lacked a productive bench. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are nights when the Celtics bench outperforms the starters. If anything, the Boston bench (outside of the glaring hole at point guard) has been a strength, not a weakness. That's why I find it maddening when Doc Rivers doesn't stay with a unit that seems to be getting it done on a particular night. One day, it's Kendrick Perkins playing out of his mind, scoring nearly 20 points in one quarter, and Rivers removes him at the start of the second quarter and only plays him an additional 5 minutes. Another day, it's Big Baby who gobbles up every rebound and absolutely dominates, only to find himself back on the bench even though he's not in any foul trouble and doesn't seem to be tired. Tonight, it was Tony Allen who inexplicably got pulled in the midst of a career game. Why meddle with success? Why make adjustments when no adjustments need to be made? If Rivers wants to tinker, make it beneficial, like teaching the team how to handle the full court press or how to pick apart a zone defense.

5. Too many isolation plays down the stretch. The Celtics go from one extreme to the other. The first three and a half quarters they pass the ball too much. Then the last six minutes they start running isolation plays (usually for Pierce) that inevitably fail. When the game is wide open, this doesn't matter because the Celtics will hold onto the lead and withstand the closing run by the other team. When the game is close, this strategy proves disastrous. It never worked in the past and it doesn't work now. Why not continue playing the style of basketball that earned you a lead?

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Old January 26th, 2008, 02:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Excellent look at the Celtics zen
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The Celtics improved to 13-0 against Western Conference teams, with a narrow win over the Dallas Mavericks last night. The Celtics won despite the absence of Kevin Garnett (out with an abdominal strain.)

Point guard Rajon Rondo led the Green with 12 rebounds. He also scored the game-winning basket on a quick reverse lay-up, after softly snatching the ball out of Dirk Nowitzki's hands.

For any aspiring players or coaches out there, get some video of this game. Boston put up a clinic on defense last night. Absolutely phenomenal. There must have been at least 15 possessions where the Mavericks were pushed into a bad outside shot because the shot clock was about to expire. At times, it looked like the Celtics were playing 8 on 5 basketball on the defensive end.
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With the recent additions of P.J Brown and Sam Cassell, the Celtics have further cemented themselves among the favorites to win the NBA Championship.

Check out the new depth chart:

C Perkins - Brown - Pollard
PF Garnett - Powe - Davis - Scalabrine
SF Pierce - Posey
PG Rondo - Cassell - House - Pruitt
SG R. Allen - T. Allen

I'm really liking a crunch-time lineup of Brown, Garnett, Pierce, Cassell and Allen.

These are exciting times in Celtics Land. Tomorrow's showdown against the Pistons should be epic.
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With the recent additions of P.J Brown and Sam Cassell, the Celtics have further cemented themselves among the favorites to win the NBA Championship.

Check out the new depth chart:

C Perkins - Brown - Pollard
PF Garnett - Powe - Davis - Scalabrine
SF Pierce - Posey
PG Rondo - Cassell - House - Pruitt
SG R. Allen - T. Allen

I'm really liking a crunch-time lineup of Brown, Garnett, Pierce, Cassell and Allen.

These are exciting times in Celtics Land. Tomorrow's showdown against the Pistons should be epic.
Give me a break. The favorite to win the NBA championship?

The Eastern Conference is the NBADL compared to the West.
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I said "among the favorites." And they are. Any team with three All-Stars (Garnett, Pierce, Allen) and solid role players like Brown, Cassell and Posey is going to go deep into the playoffs, regardless of conference. The Celtics, by the way, have only three losses against Western Conference teams this year. They're something like 17-3 against the West. The Miami Heat won the championship in 2005 with much less than what the Celtics have now.
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You'd think the team with the best record in the NBA has a chance to win the NBA championship. That record against the West is now 18-3. They've beaten the Lakers (twice), Warriors, Jazz, Rockets, and Mavericks.

Personally I'm rooting for Detroit, who has played them tough both times.
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Did anyone watch the Celtics-Pistons game last night? Kevin Garnett scored 31 points, Kendrick Perkins pulled in a career-high 20 rebounds, Rajon Rondo destroyed Chauncey Billups on the offensive end, Ray Allen shut down Richard Hamilton, Paul Pierce hit some clutch shots, and the Celtics cruised to victory against the veteran-savvy Pistons. It was an impressive performance from start to finish, as the Celtics became the first team to clinch a playoff spot this year. They also won the season series against Detroit, 2 to 1.
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I'm mildly worried about Boston's playoff prospects. Although the Celtics clinched the best record in the Eastern Conference, and the best regular season turnaround in NBA history, they lost their third game of the season to the Washington Wizards last night. The Celtics are now 1-3 against Washington on the year. They haven't lost to any other team more than once.

Given current playoff positioning, the Celtics could face the Wizards in the second round of the playoffs. I'm not sure who would win that series. The Celtics had all of their top players available for the four games against the Wizards, while Washington only had their top guns for one of those games. For whatever reason, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler destroy the Celtics. Agent Zero usually plays well against Boston too.

I know it's always a bad idea to root for a playoff series against LeBron James, but I'm thinking the Celtics might actually have an easier time tangling with the Cavaliers than the Wizards. It's possible to neutralize LeBron James when the rest of his teammates are lousy. It's tougher to stop three marquee players in Arenas, Butler and Jamison, even if none of them are on par with LeBron.

Before the season started, I thought the Wizards would be one of the best teams in the Eastern Conference. I still feel that way. Their lower seeding is a reflection of injuries, not the true skill level of the team. Washington scares me more than Cleveland, Detroit and Orlando.
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