Move Over Willie...Here Comes Jimmy - Page 2

LouGehrig · September 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM

How about Ryan Howard? Will HE make what he is heading for?

Grandstander · September 12th, 2007, 10:48 AM

Five more at bats for Rollins last night....on pace for 712.

bedir than average · September 12th, 2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LouGehrig

How about Ryan Howard? Will HE make what he is heading for?

MrGehrig, I don't have a clue what you're talking about? I was unaware he's competing for the AtBat record

Grandstander · September 12th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Tough night for Rollins. Leading off the game he was facing Denny Bautista who was making his first appearance after spending the whole summer on the DL. Naturally he was shakey and he walked Rollins. Then Phillies bats went silent, they only managed six baserunners all night so the lineup didn't turn over much. The final indignity was that it was a 12-0 blow out by Colorado, so Philadelphia put in its screwbeanies at the end...Rollins was replaced and wound up with just two at bats for the night.

It's not enough to be talented, you have to get the breaks as well.

LouGehrig · September 13th, 2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bedir than average

MrGehrig, I don't have a clue what you're talking about? I was unaware he's competing for the AtBat record

I am just kidding around, but not really, because while Rollins is heading for one record, his teammate is heading for one much more ignominious. Howard might become the first player to strike out 200 times in a season. Wouldn't it be great if each set his record?

Grandstander · September 14th, 2007, 06:57 AM

Rollins roared back with a clutch six at bat performance last night. His pace is now for 711 at bats.

LongtimeBravesFan · September 14th, 2007, 08:45 AM

If there are two outs in the ninth ion the last day of the season and Howard has 199 strike outs and is at bat with Rollins on deck with 704 at bats, that would be agonizing for all baseball fans.

Grandstander · September 14th, 2007, 09:42 AM

Longtime....you've reminded me of a scenario my nephew came up with once....what if some batter had a 56 game hitting streak going into the final game of the season.....and on the mound was a pitcher who had duplicated Johnny Vandemeer's back to back no hitters and was making his next start.

The pitcher holds the streak hitter's team hitless through 8 and 2/3 innings and the final batter is the streak hitter.....

Zen653 · September 14th, 2007, 11:15 AM

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If there are two outs in the ninth ion the last day of the season and Howard has 199 strike outs and is at bat with Rollins on deck with 704 at bats, that would be agonizing for all baseball fans.

I love to see these kinds of records broken. I wasn't even aware of Rollins' and Howards' respective assaults on them. My guess is that Howard will stop playing if he reaches 199 strikeouts with only a game or two left to play. Who wants that kind of record?

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The pitcher holds the streak hitter's team hitless through 8 and 2/3 innings and the final batter is the streak hitter.....

I'd root for the no-hitter, which is one of the highest accomplishments achievable in any sport. A hitting streak just isn't that special to me. If you normally get 4 at-bats in a game, all you have to do is hit .250 (which plenty of guys do) and hope that you get an even distribution of hits. I liken it to "hitting for the cycle," another useless statistic. If you're sitting on a double, triple and homerun, are you somehow more deserving of immortalization if you get a single instead of another homerun? No-hitters are a much better measure of actual skill, especially if you compile three consecutive ones. There's a little bit of luck involved (the defensive placement of the infielders, the talent of the opposing hitters, etc.) but you still have to record at least 27 outs without surrendering a hit. Maybe you get lucky with 1 or 2 of those outs. I doubt you'll get lucky with all 27.

LouGehrig · September 14th, 2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Grandstander

Longtime....you've reminded me of a scenario my nephew came up with once....what if some batter had a 56 game hitting streak going into the final game of the season.....and on the mound was a pitcher who had duplicated Johnny Vandemeer's back to back no hitters and was making his next start.

The pitcher holds the streak hitter's team hitless through 8 and 2/3 innings and the final batter is the streak hitter.....

That is really great. How about if it were a perfect game?

Grandstander · September 14th, 2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LouGehrig

That is really great. How about if it were a perfect game?

I'm thinking that it wouldn't be.....in order to get the 56 game hitting steak batter up to the plate as the last batter of a possible perfect game, he would have had to have been the 9th place hitter. My thinking is that a club would be insane to have some guy batting 9th when he is that hot...and if it was an NL game, why isn't the pitcher batting 9th? So, let us say that he was batting third and that our no hit pitcher either issued a couple of walks or had a couple of errors made behind him. Two baserunners will bring our # 3 hitter to the plate in the proper chronology.

LouGehrig · September 14th, 2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandstander

I'm thinking that it wouldn't be.....in order to get the 56 game hitting steak batter up to the plate as the last batter of a possible perfect game, he would have had to have been the 9th place hitter. My thinking is that a club would be insane to have some guy batting 9th when he is that hot...and if it was an NL game, why isn't the pitcher batting 9th? So, let us say that he was batting third and that our no hit pitcher either issued a couple of walks or had a couple of errors made behind him. Two baserunners will bring our # 3 hitter to the plate in the proper chronology.

Great point, but once again, the DH could change that. Some teams, the Yankees are an example, have batted some pretty good hitters ninth. I am almost sure though, that if that hitter started to get hits everyday, he would bat in other slots, but depending on the circumstances, it could happen. Like, if it was one of the few times a fast runner batted ninth and event fell as you described. But you are right. It would not happen.

jtur88 · September 14th, 2007, 03:19 PM

It is probably also unlikely that the guy with 55-straight would have a day off, and then get used as a pinch hitter in the ninth.

However, there is always the possibility that he would be the leadoff batter, and somewhere along the way, a guy batted out of turn, and made an out so the defense did not object, and the batter was skipped, so Jimmy Rollins makes the last out of a perfect game.

How would you like, then, to be the official scorer, and Rolllins hit a swinging bunt down the third base line, and the 3B tries to play it barehanded, and it squirts out of his fingers. Hit, or Error?

Grandstander · September 14th, 2007, 08:58 PM

Rollins caught a break tonight. It was a low scoring game without much lineup turnover, but it went an extra innings and Rollins managed to get his 5th at bat as the last out for the Phillies.

On pace for 712

Grandstander · September 15th, 2007, 04:32 PM

Five more today in another victory over the Mets. He has bumped his pace to 713. He's now just 55 at bats away from immoratality and he has 14 games remaining in which to get it accomplished. He needs to average 3.92 at bats per game to hit 706.

He's turning in a clutch performance under all the pressure. In his last nine games he has 43 at bats, an average of 4.8 a game.

September 14th, 2007, 03:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
jtur88 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 7,857	It is probably also unlikely that the guy with 55-straight would have a day off, and then get used as a pinch hitter in the ninth. However, there is always the possibility that he would be the leadoff batter, and somewhere along the way, a guy batted out of turn, and made an out so the defense did not object, and the batter was skipped, so Jimmy Rollins makes the last out of a perfect game. How would you like, then, to be the official scorer, and Rolllins hit a swinging bunt down the third base line, and the 3B tries to play it barehanded, and it squirts out of his fingers. Hit, or Error? __________________ ------------------ When people ask what I hope to see before I die, I answer that I've already seen too much.

September 12th, 2007, 09:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
LouGehrig Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 225	How about Ryan Howard? Will HE make what he is heading for?

September 12th, 2007, 10:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
Grandstander Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Northern California Posts: 6,611	Five more at bats for Rollins last night....on pace for 712.

September 12th, 2007, 09:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
Grandstander Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Northern California Posts: 6,611	Tough night for Rollins. Leading off the game he was facing Denny Bautista who was making his first appearance after spending the whole summer on the DL. Naturally he was shakey and he walked Rollins. Then Phillies bats went silent, they only managed six baserunners all night so the lineup didn't turn over much. The final indignity was that it was a 12-0 blow out by Colorado, so Philadelphia put in its screwbeanies at the end...Rollins was replaced and wound up with just two at bats for the night. It's not enough to be talented, you have to get the breaks as well.

September 14th, 2007, 06:57 AM	#21 (permalink)
Grandstander Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Northern California Posts: 6,611	Rollins roared back with a clutch six at bat performance last night. His pace is now for 711 at bats.

September 14th, 2007, 08:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
LongtimeBravesFan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,655	If there are two outs in the ninth ion the last day of the season and Howard has 199 strike outs and is at bat with Rollins on deck with 704 at bats, that would be agonizing for all baseball fans.

September 14th, 2007, 09:42 AM	#23 (permalink)
Grandstander Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Northern California Posts: 6,611	Longtime....you've reminded me of a scenario my nephew came up with once....what if some batter had a 56 game hitting streak going into the final game of the season.....and on the mound was a pitcher who had duplicated Johnny Vandemeer's back to back no hitters and was making his next start. The pitcher holds the streak hitter's team hitless through 8 and 2/3 innings and the final batter is the streak hitter.....

September 14th, 2007, 08:58 PM	#29 (permalink)
Grandstander Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Northern California Posts: 6,611	Rollins caught a break tonight. It was a low scoring game without much lineup turnover, but it went an extra innings and Rollins managed to get his 5th at bat as the last out for the Phillies. On pace for 712

September 15th, 2007, 04:32 PM	#30 (permalink)
Grandstander Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Northern California Posts: 6,611	Five more today in another victory over the Mets. He has bumped his pace to 713. He's now just 55 at bats away from immoratality and he has 14 games remaining in which to get it accomplished. He needs to average 3.92 at bats per game to hit 706. He's turning in a clutch performance under all the pressure. In his last nine games he has 43 at bats, an average of 4.8 a game.