Cy Young

djwhokid · August 27th, 2007, 11:12 AM

AL/NL Cy Young

NL:
Tim Hudson
Brad Penny
Carlos Zambrano
Jake Peavy
Brandon Webb

AL:
Josh Beckett
John Lackey
Kelvim Escobar
Chien-Ming Wang
Johan Santana
C.C. Sabathia
Fausto Carmona
Dan Haren
Justin Verlander

At this point in the NL I think this is a dead heat between Brandon Webb and Jake Peavy... Right now I would give it to Webb.

The AL is a pretty bloated field. At this point Tim Wakefield might have the edge (LOL!)... Right now I would give it to Santana.

bedir than average · August 27th, 2007, 06:36 PM

I think the AL has two relievers that deserve to be in the debate. JJPutz and Hideki Okajima.

jtur88 · August 27th, 2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bedir than average

I think the AL has two relievers that deserve to be in the debate. JJPutz and Hideki Okajima.

When Okajima's first pitch in his MLB career was hit for a home run, I wonder if he thought to hemself "Never mind, I'm still going to win the Cy Young Award this year."

bedir than average · September 27th, 2007, 06:51 PM

I'm very much leaning to Jake Peavy in the NL. He has dominated and is on a contending team, he certainly won't finish lower than 3rd.

In the AL, I'm kind of surprised, but I'll go with a name I hadn't considered until today. Fausto Carmona of the Cleveland Indians. The Groundballer has a tiny ERA, solid win total and has lead a team to its division title.

DiamondDave · September 27th, 2007, 08:09 PM

Peavy being the leader in wins, ERA, and K's... has it about as sewn up as you can get

In the AL... leading with wins, many more K's, better WHIP, and just a 8 one-hundreths of a point in ERA behind the leader... Beckett may have to be the favorite right now

Zen653 · September 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM

Beckett took a beating today, surrendering 5 runs over 6 innings. He finishes the 2007 regular season with a 20-7 record and 3.27 ERA.

If C.C Sabathia can do better than 5 ER in 6 IP in his final start against Kansas City, he'll finish the year with a lower ERA, more strikeouts, and probably fewer homeruns and fewer walks than Beckett. If Sabathia can beat the Royals, he'll finish the year with just one less win and the same number of losses.

Beckett has faced tougher competition than Sabathia, he has a marginally lower BAA (.244 vs. .258), and he's the only pitcher who reached the magic 20-win plateau (which voters foolishly seem to adore so much.) That said, the Cleveland ace has better hard numbers in almost all of the other core categories, and voters rarely look past overall statistics. (A deeper analysis where you normalize for the disparity in opposing talent would swing things back in Beckett's favor.)

With a strong finish, 21 wins, and a sub-3.10 ERA, I think Beckett would have had the advantage. With none of those things happening, I predict that Sabathia will win the Cy Young, provided that he delivers a quality start tomorrow against the lowly Royals.

unreal654 · September 29th, 2007, 08:12 AM

Sabathia surrendered 3 runs on 8 hits with 1 walk while picking up another win against the Royals

Sabathia will finish with a 19-7 record (Beckett 20-7), ERA of 3.21 (Beckett 3.27), and a WHIP of 1.14 (tied with Beckett)

Very close, but with Sabathia finishing with more innings, a lower ERA, and more strikeouts, I have to give him the edge in this.

Nat · September 29th, 2007, 01:59 PM

I'd give it to Sabathia as well...Haren had a disappointing finish.

August 27th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	I think the AL has two relievers that deserve to be in the debate. JJPutz and Hideki Okajima. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

September 27th, 2007, 06:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	I'm very much leaning to Jake Peavy in the NL. He has dominated and is on a contending team, he certainly won't finish lower than 3rd. In the AL, I'm kind of surprised, but I'll go with a name I hadn't considered until today. Fausto Carmona of the Cleveland Indians. The Groundballer has a tiny ERA, solid win total and has lead a team to its division title. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

September 27th, 2007, 08:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	Peavy being the leader in wins, ERA, and K's... has it about as sewn up as you can get In the AL... leading with wins, many more K's, better WHIP, and just a 8 one-hundreths of a point in ERA behind the leader... Beckett may have to be the favorite right now __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

September 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,274	Beckett took a beating today, surrendering 5 runs over 6 innings. He finishes the 2007 regular season with a 20-7 record and 3.27 ERA. If C.C Sabathia can do better than 5 ER in 6 IP in his final start against Kansas City, he'll finish the year with a lower ERA, more strikeouts, and probably fewer homeruns and fewer walks than Beckett. If Sabathia can beat the Royals, he'll finish the year with just one less win and the same number of losses. Beckett has faced tougher competition than Sabathia, he has a marginally lower BAA (.244 vs. .258), and he's the only pitcher who reached the magic 20-win plateau (which voters foolishly seem to adore so much.) That said, the Cleveland ace has better hard numbers in almost all of the other core categories, and voters rarely look past overall statistics. (A deeper analysis where you normalize for the disparity in opposing talent would swing things back in Beckett's favor.) With a strong finish, 21 wins, and a sub-3.10 ERA, I think Beckett would have had the advantage. With none of those things happening, I predict that Sabathia will win the Cy Young, provided that he delivers a quality start tomorrow against the lowly Royals. Last edited by Zen653; September 28th, 2007 at 12:39 AM.

September 29th, 2007, 08:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 332	Sabathia surrendered 3 runs on 8 hits with 1 walk while picking up another win against the Royals Sabathia will finish with a 19-7 record (Beckett 20-7), ERA of 3.21 (Beckett 3.27), and a WHIP of 1.14 (tied with Beckett) Very close, but with Sabathia finishing with more innings, a lower ERA, and more strikeouts, I have to give him the edge in this.

September 29th, 2007, 01:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nat Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,351	I'd give it to Sabathia as well...Haren had a disappointing finish.