Pujols: "MVP should come from a playoff team"

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-30-2006, 07:48 PM

Yes, this time it's really Albert:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Wow... just wow. I mean, it takes a real idiot to say "I deserve the MVP." But it takes a selfish ******* trying to manipulate the system that, during what could have potentially been his year to get MVP, to say "The MVP deserves to go to a player on a playoff team." Basically, if you're implying that you deserve it and it's that obvious, uh uh. Move on, Albert.

I'm afraid this is what it's come down to. Albert doesn't believe he can go on with his life without MVP recognition? He's already recognized for a half-hour on Sportscenter during the year, and now he just needs something more? Is this going to help you sleep at night, Albert?

NEWSFLASH: You're going to win about 12 MVP awards in your career, so get over the fact that somebody may have actually had a better overall performance than you in the year. Hell... pitchers pitch to you! Any good hitter can put up numbers like that given those kinds of opportunities.

Why should the MVP go to a playoff team? With the exception of 2002 Bonds, one player cannot carry a team defensively (unless he gets every opportunity), and at the same time, being able to bat only once out of nine times, carry the team on his shoulders. Bonds is an exception because his presence in the lineup (from 2001 - 2004) made pitchers throw differently at every hitter, and made every hitter better in those given situations. Is this to say that guys on the Royals, Pirates, and Devil Rays no longer have a shot at winning the MVP? Are you just narrowing the odds now, Albert?

MVP stands for Most Valuable Player... nothing more, nothing less. That said, the MVP should probably just go to the highest paid player for kicks. But really... if people here claim that on-base percentage is the most important offensive stat, then I take that as "It's the most valuable offensive stat." Guess who, with at least 475+ plate appearances, led it this year? I'll let you guys go to MLB.com yourselves to find that out.

He's not any more a good sport than he is a selfish ******* in this situation.

Ryan should call him and offer to trade his MVP trophy for Albert's World Series ring.

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pfiggy · 11-30-2006, 08:25 PM

Big Al needs to shut his pie hole.

Goose · 11-30-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

so get over the fact that somebody may have actually had a better overall performance than you in the year.

Ummm......

Ryan Howard:
.313/.425/.659/1.084
58 homers
149 RBI
181/108 K/BB
Runs Created-138
Total Win Shares-31

Albert Pujols:
.331/.431/.671/1.102
49 homers
137 RBI
50/92 K/BB
Runs Created-150
Total Win Shares-39

Howard had more homers, more RBI, and a higher slugging percentage(as a result of the homers). That's it. Pujols bests him in everything else.

He's correct, he did get snubbed. But his reasoning IMO is flawed.

Patrick · 11-30-2006, 09:33 PM

I agree, a baseball MVP should come from a baseball team.

MuffinMcFluffin · 12-01-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

I agree, a baseball MVP should come from a baseball team.

Ahh hot sausages! I thought I said playoff team. I'll get this changed.

And Goose, I don't know where you got your RC stat, but ESPN.com's formula gives Howard an RC of 155.5 and Pujols 141.0.

Not to mention all of this hardly has to do with Pujols' reason as to why he was snubbed. He said that it should come from a playoff team. Ummm... Albert, did you forget the fact that the Phillies had two more wins than you in the regular season? Not only that, but it's not like the Cardinals "dominated" their division anyway. They were 39 - 42 against the NL Central, and the Phillies were 41 - 34 against the NL East. For a team that has to play in a division with Pittsburgh and Chicago, and make it to the playoffs... your record against your own division should not be under .500 (not to mention the Phillies had to face the Mets).

Their series' together split 3 - 3 (Cardinals swept opening series, Phillies swept second-half series), so the Cardinals didn't outbeat the Phillies there, either. Pujols, quit running your mouth. Go... be on a cover for some video game or something.

Nimajneb · 12-01-2006, 01:24 PM

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Ahh hot sausages! I thought I said playoff team. I'll get this changed.

Allow me.

Curious that the thread title doesn't get edited with the first post subject title on these boards.

Goose · 12-01-2006, 03:13 PM

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And Goose, I don't know where you got your RC stat, but ESPN.com's formula gives Howard an RC of 155.5 and Pujols 141.0.

I got my RC stat from The Hardball Times. I trust their stats alot more than I do ESPN's.

MuffinMcFluffin · 12-01-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goose

I got my RC stat from The Hardball Times. I trust their stats alot more than I do ESPN's.

Regardless of that, Pujols' reasons are all wrong. He's being a hypocrite in a sense, as Howard carried the Phillies after Abreu's decline, and got them as close as possible to playoff contention. The fact that the Phillies had a better overall record than the Cardinals (and over .500 with respect to their division opponents) makes his point stronger toward a case that Howard would suggest to make if Pujols won it.

Like I said... he has been a baby as of late. He just won a ring; something that Bonds and Marino would trade any of their MVP/All Star means of recognition for. He has a right to think of this stuff, but after the Glavine incident in the NLCS, and now this? He's just turning into "one of them".

RickJay · 12-02-2006, 09:44 PM

It doesn't matter if Pujols did or did not deserve the award, or what his reasoning is; *****ing and whining about not winning the MVP award is vulgar and tasteless. It makes him look like a monumental jackass. His repsonse should have been "Congratulations to Ryan, he had a great season."

Justin Morneau was a far worse choice than Ryan Howard and Derek Jeter's response was to congratulate him on winning and then keep his yap shut. That's the sportsmanlike way to do things.

Kodiak · 12-03-2006, 04:02 AM

I seriously doubt Albert was trying to slight Howard or his performance last season in anyway. If it came off that way then I have to question the context of the article and how the reporter wrote the article. After all, the news conference WAS in Spanish. Words have a funny way of being translated to a point where the original meaning of the conversation is taken totally out of context. Albert was merely stating his opinion that the MVP award should go to a player who's team makes the playoffs. It is a widely supported idea.

Interestingly, McGwire had a statistically Superior season in '98 but Sosa won the MVP because his team went to the playoffs. The voters can be so hypocritical. Can't they come to a consensus as to whether or not a playoff berth matters or not? Yes I know that the Cardinals didn't do all that well in '98, but a non-playoff team is a non-playoff team.

If you think Albert intentionally dissed Howard because he came in second, then there must be a history of this kind of behavior right? After all Albert has come in second before in the MVP balloting (twice in fact, he's also come in second and third. Had it not been for Barry Bonds, Albert would have had another 2 MVP awards to his name). Well he has no history of dissing other players just because he lost out on an award.

On a separate note, I think Albert deserved the MVP. He came through in the clutch, especially down the stretch, and the lineup surrounding him was weaker than that of the Phillies around Howard. Furthermore, Albert's numbers are statistically superior. Except for Homers and RBI's, Albert pretty much led every other category. Had Albert not missed 2 weeks of the season, due to a trip to the DL, he may have wound up with more homers and RBI's than Howard. Don't forget that Albert was on a torrid (possibly record setting) pace before he suffered his injury. Had that not occurred, who knows what would have happened. It is likely that at the least he would have had more RBI's than Howard.

The point is that Howard had a great year, but Albert deserved the MVP. Unfortunately all the voters care about is homers...

MuffinMcFluffin · 12-03-2006, 02:54 PM

Except you have to realize that he's being more selfish than he's being offensive. He's not trying to take away Howard's great season, but he's trying to tout his just a little bit more. I haven't liked Pujols for quite some time now (and for quite some unknown reasons). Perhaps I thought that it was because I knew that this was the person that he was all along, and that I didn't appreciate how Bonds wasn't respected from non-Bay Area folk, and just tend to love Pujols... though in a way they essentially become the same person down the stretch.

I hope the EA cover athlete curse dawns upon him sooner or later.

Cochise22 · 12-04-2006, 02:14 AM

I read a translation of the article a guy did on another site that shall remain nameless, and it sounds more like Pujols was trying to stick up for his friend David Ortiz and then got tripped up because of the language barrier.

Even if Pujols did say it I think he has more right than anyone else in the game to say something along those lines. To be so good for so many years and to keep getting the shaft has to be quite frustrating sometimes.

Kodiak · 12-04-2006, 03:57 AM

Albert is NOT a selfish person. If he were he would certainly not be playing in St. Louis. He'd be playing in New York where he would be making $30 million a year (double his current salary) and soaking up the limelight with big fat endorsement deals. I have yet to see any evidence that Pujols is "selfish".

Goose · 12-04-2006, 05:33 AM

Cardinal fans coming to Pujols' aid? The hell you say!

Kodiak · 12-04-2006, 03:05 PM

Nobody else was!

Gee, lookie here.....

Quote:

In an interview with USA Today, Pujols said his recent comments about Ryan Howard's unworthiness as National League MVP were misinterpreted and he wants to apologize to the Phillies' slugging first baseman.

"I feel so bad because I love Ryan Howard," Pujols told USA Today. "I never said he didn't deserve the MVP. He is deserving of that award. He earned it. That's why he got it. I'm not trying to defend myself; I just want to tell him that I'm sorry for all of this because he earned the MVP. The last thing I want to do is spoil this for him."

Apologizing for the media screwing up

He is so selfish!

Quote:

Pujols told USA Today he was hurt at how his comments were portrayed in the media.

"The way that came out hurt me big time," Pujols told the newspaper. "I'm very angry about that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2685770

Maybe next time people won't jump to conclusions about something someone says...especially when it is said in a foreign language in a foreign country!

11-30-2006, 07:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	Pujols: "MVP should come from a playoff team" Yes, this time it's really Albert: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns Wow... just wow. I mean, it takes a real idiot to say "I deserve the MVP." But it takes a selfish ***** trying to manipulate the system that, during what could have potentially been his year to get MVP, to say "The MVP deserves to go to a player on a playoff team." Basically, if you're implying that you deserve it and it's that obvious, uh uh. Move on, Albert. I'm afraid this is what it's come down to. Albert doesn't believe he can go on with his life without MVP recognition? He's already recognized for a half-hour on Sportscenter during the year, and now he just needs something more? Is this going to help you sleep at night, Albert? NEWSFLASH: You're going to win about 12 MVP awards in your career, so get over the fact that somebody may have actually had a better overall performance than you in the year. Hell... pitchers pitch to you! Any good hitter can put up numbers like that given those kinds of opportunities. Why should the MVP go to a playoff team? With the exception of 2002 Bonds, one player cannot carry a team defensively (unless he gets every opportunity), and at the same time, being able to bat only once out of nine times, carry the team on his shoulders. Bonds is an exception because his presence in the lineup (from 2001 - 2004) made pitchers throw differently at every hitter, and made every hitter better in those given situations. Is this to say that guys on the Royals, Pirates, and Devil Rays no longer have a shot at winning the MVP? Are you just narrowing the odds now, Albert? MVP stands for Most Valuable Player... nothing more, nothing less. That said, the MVP should probably just go to the highest paid player for kicks. But really... if people here claim that on-base percentage is the most important offensive stat, then I take that as "It's the most valuable offensive stat." Guess who, with at least 475+ plate appearances, led it this year? I'll let you guys go to MLB.com yourselves to find that out. He's not any more a good sport than he is a selfish ***** in this situation. Ryan should call him and offer to trade his MVP trophy for Albert's World Series ring. [/end rant] __________________ Last edited by MuffinMcFluffin; 12-01-2006 at 10:31 AM.

12-03-2006, 04:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Kodiak Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 746	I seriously doubt Albert was trying to slight Howard or his performance last season in anyway. If it came off that way then I have to question the context of the article and how the reporter wrote the article. After all, the news conference WAS in Spanish. Words have a funny way of being translated to a point where the original meaning of the conversation is taken totally out of context. Albert was merely stating his opinion that the MVP award should go to a player who's team makes the playoffs. It is a widely supported idea. Interestingly, McGwire had a statistically Superior season in '98 but Sosa won the MVP because his team went to the playoffs. The voters can be so hypocritical. Can't they come to a consensus as to whether or not a playoff berth matters or not? Yes I know that the Cardinals didn't do all that well in '98, but a non-playoff team is a non-playoff team. If you think Albert intentionally dissed Howard because he came in second, then there must be a history of this kind of behavior right? After all Albert has come in second before in the MVP balloting (twice in fact, he's also come in second and third. Had it not been for Barry Bonds, Albert would have had another 2 MVP awards to his name). Well he has no history of dissing other players just because he lost out on an award. On a separate note, I think Albert deserved the MVP. He came through in the clutch, especially down the stretch, and the lineup surrounding him was weaker than that of the Phillies around Howard. Furthermore, Albert's numbers are statistically superior. Except for Homers and RBI's, Albert pretty much led every other category. Had Albert not missed 2 weeks of the season, due to a trip to the DL, he may have wound up with more homers and RBI's than Howard. Don't forget that Albert was on a torrid (possibly record setting) pace before he suffered his injury. Had that not occurred, who knows what would have happened. It is likely that at the least he would have had more RBI's than Howard. The point is that Howard had a great year, but Albert deserved the MVP. Unfortunately all the voters care about is homers... Last edited by Kodiak; 12-03-2006 at 04:09 AM.

12-03-2006, 02:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	Except you have to realize that he's being more selfish than he's being offensive. He's not trying to take away Howard's great season, but he's trying to tout his just a little bit more. I haven't liked Pujols for quite some time now (and for quite some unknown reasons). Perhaps I thought that it was because I knew that this was the person that he was all along, and that I didn't appreciate how Bonds wasn't respected from non-Bay Area folk, and just tend to love Pujols... though in a way they essentially become the same person down the stretch. I hope the EA cover athlete curse dawns upon him sooner or later. __________________

12-04-2006, 05:33 AM	#14 (permalink)
Goose Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Cardinal fans coming to Pujols' aid? The hell you say! __________________

11-30-2006, 08:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
pfiggy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 3,637	Big Al needs to shut his pie hole.

11-30-2006, 09:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
Patrick Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 75	I agree, a baseball MVP should come from a baseball team.

12-02-2006, 09:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
RickJay Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 50	It doesn't matter if Pujols did or did not deserve the award, or what his reasoning is; *****ing and whining about not winning the MVP award is vulgar and tasteless. It makes him look like a monumental jackass. His repsonse should have been "Congratulations to Ryan, he had a great season." Justin Morneau was a far worse choice than Ryan Howard and Derek Jeter's response was to congratulate him on winning and then keep his yap shut. That's the sportsmanlike way to do things.

12-04-2006, 02:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
Cochise22 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 181	I read a translation of the article a guy did on another site that shall remain nameless, and it sounds more like Pujols was trying to stick up for his friend David Ortiz and then got tripped up because of the language barrier. Even if Pujols did say it I think he has more right than anyone else in the game to say something along those lines. To be so good for so many years and to keep getting the shaft has to be quite frustrating sometimes.

12-04-2006, 03:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
Kodiak Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 746	Albert is NOT a selfish person. If he were he would certainly not be playing in St. Louis. He'd be playing in New York where he would be making $30 million a year (double his current salary) and soaking up the limelight with big fat endorsement deals. I have yet to see any evidence that Pujols is "selfish".