Yankees 2007 Season a BUST?

dddown · March 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM

I'm a Yankees fan. Yes, boo me. I can live with it. Well, it's that time of year again, the time where everyone who knows me asks "how about those Yanks this year, think they'll take the division?" Sure the Red Sox and Blue Jays strengthened their lineups, and sure the Yankees didn't really bite at the free agent market, but here are my 3 reasons the Yankees won't bust in 2007. BTW, these aren't secrets, they do it every year.

1) Work Ethic
2) Clutch
3) Derek Jeter (who ironically possess the first two!)

Nocahoma · March 15th, 2007, 10:16 AM

Actually, that would be appropriate instead of ironic. This from an avowed Jeter-hater, even.

No, the Yankees won't be a bust, but I have a hard time saying that Derek Jeter will turn water to wine and save their season by himself. He's just one very good player, although he's grossly overrated by Yankee fans.

Very Good, yes -- particularly on Offense. Not so much on Defense, except for your occasional "clutch" play. Godlike, no.

Goose · March 15th, 2007, 02:40 PM

Captain Intangibles!

I still find it hilarious that ESPN thought that people calling Jeter that were complimenting him and not mocking him.

Nocahoma · March 15th, 2007, 05:53 PM

LOL -- I hadn't heard that, but it's classic!

Goose · March 15th, 2007, 09:15 PM

There was a commercial on ESPN classic that I seen a year or so ago, and I think it was talking about them showing the 2001 WS, and the guy in the commercial said something along the lines of "Even Red Sox fans call Jeter Captain Intangibles!"

dddown · March 17th, 2007, 10:59 PM

That is classic. Overrated? It's nuts. He's going to be great again this year and he'll hit a ball in the playoffs unlike A-Rod. I like A-Rod and all, but I was happier when Soriano was playing second.

I'm the first pick overall this year in our draft...my question is this....Pujols or Santana?

Should I buy the Yankees on fantasy sports stocks dot com?

BMW · March 18th, 2007, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dddown

That is classic. Overrated? It's nuts. He's going to be great again this year and he'll hit a ball in the playoffs unlike A-Rod. I like A-Rod and all, but I was happier when Soriano was playing second.

I'm the first pick overall this year in our draft...my question is this....Pujols or Santana?

Should I buy the Yankees on fantasy sports stocks dot com?

Umm, the reason Soriano was expendable was because he choked in the playoffs so bad, they sat him down in the Series. And to think that Aaron Boone and Soriano was a better combination than ARod and Cano? C'mon, you've got better defensive play out of both of them, and the choke that ARod and Soriano give in the playoffs equals out, and although Boone had that Game winning HR, I'd take Cano any day of the week.

Pujols, always. But that's a better question for the Fantasy Baseball Board.

Goose · March 18th, 2007, 08:01 AM

Anybody who honestly rates one player over another based upon the small sample size that is the playoffs, should probably have their head examined anyways.

Derek Jeter isn't, has never been, and never will be even close to the caliber of player that Alex Rodriguez is.

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Umm, the reason Soriano was expendable was because he choked in the playoffs so bad.

Well, he didn't always choke...

BMW · March 18th, 2007, 03:40 PM

ARod didn't always choke either...In the 2000 playoffs he batted .308 against the White Sox, then in the next series against the Yankees he batted .409 with 2 HRs. Then in his first series as a Yankee in the playoffs he batted .421 with a HR against the Red Sox.

My point was that, either way, it got so bad for Soriano that he was actually benched in the Series...

Nocahoma · March 19th, 2007, 02:03 PM

OK, so if Derek Jeter is so great because he can turn it on in the clutch, then why doesn't he play like that all the time??

dddown · March 19th, 2007, 02:34 PM

He does....he's been MVP runner-up for some time. Don't get me wrong....I like Cano,alot. I just like Soriano the same...yes he was benched...got me there...but A-Rod (who is going to the HOF and should be) has something about him that comes the playoffs (especially last year) just doesn't seem right.

If players can't be judged on the playoffs (when it counts most), what good is it anyway? A player is judged on their character just the same as their stats.

Sorry, but right now, A-Rod's missing something come October I hope he proves me wrong.

Goose · March 19th, 2007, 02:44 PM

They're not. That's the whole point. The playoffs are not a good way to measure a ballplayer's worth. Hell there really not a good way to measure a teams worth either. If the 2006 playoffs proved anything, it's that the postseason is mostly random and the team that wins the World Series is generally not really the best team in baseball.

Between 10-19 games is just too small a sample size to draw any conclusions to be worthwhile.

bedir than average · March 19th, 2007, 04:00 PM

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Sorry, but right now, A-Rod's missing something come October I hope he proves me wrong.

Jeter RC/27 in regular season - 6.89, in post-season 7.08 a +3%

ARod 8.23 and 6.15 a - 34%, but it is notable that Alex performed much better than Jeter in hundreds of regular season games...

March 14th, 2007, 10:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
dddown Rookie Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11	Yankees 2007 Season a BUST? I'm a Yankees fan. Yes, boo me. I can live with it. Well, it's that time of year again, the time where everyone who knows me asks "how about those Yanks this year, think they'll take the division?" Sure the Red Sox and Blue Jays strengthened their lineups, and sure the Yankees didn't really bite at the free agent market, but here are my 3 reasons the Yankees won't bust in 2007. BTW, these aren't secrets, they do it every year. 1) Work Ethic 2) Clutch 3) Derek Jeter (who ironically possess the first two!)

March 15th, 2007, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	Captain Intangibles! I still find it hilarious that ESPN thought that people calling Jeter that were complimenting him and not mocking him. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

March 15th, 2007, 09:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	There was a commercial on ESPN classic that I seen a year or so ago, and I think it was talking about them showing the 2001 WS, and the guy in the commercial said something along the lines of "Even Red Sox fans call Jeter Captain Intangibles!" __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

March 18th, 2007, 03:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
BMW Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	ARod didn't always choke either...In the 2000 playoffs he batted .308 against the White Sox, then in the next series against the Yankees he batted .409 with 2 HRs. Then in his first series as a Yankee in the playoffs he batted .421 with a HR against the Red Sox. My point was that, either way, it got so bad for Soriano that he was actually benched in the Series... __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

March 19th, 2007, 02:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Goose Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aberdeen,Wa Posts: 1,190	They're not. That's the whole point. The playoffs are not a good way to measure a ballplayer's worth. Hell there really not a good way to measure a teams worth either. If the 2006 playoffs proved anything, it's that the postseason is mostly random and the team that wins the World Series is generally not really the best team in baseball. Between 10-19 games is just too small a sample size to draw any conclusions to be worthwhile. __________________ http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/843...idensigfd9.png

March 15th, 2007, 10:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	Actually, that would be appropriate instead of ironic. This from an avowed Jeter-hater, even. No, the Yankees won't be a bust, but I have a hard time saying that Derek Jeter will turn water to wine and save their season by himself. He's just one very good player, although he's grossly overrated by Yankee fans. Very Good, yes -- particularly on Offense. Not so much on Defense, except for your occasional "clutch" play. Godlike, no.

March 15th, 2007, 05:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	LOL -- I hadn't heard that, but it's classic!

March 17th, 2007, 10:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
dddown Rookie Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11	That is classic. Overrated? It's nuts. He's going to be great again this year and he'll hit a ball in the playoffs unlike A-Rod. I like A-Rod and all, but I was happier when Soriano was playing second. I'm the first pick overall this year in our draft...my question is this....Pujols or Santana? Should I buy the Yankees on fantasy sports stocks dot com?

March 19th, 2007, 02:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	OK, so if Derek Jeter is so great because he can turn it on in the clutch, then why doesn't he play like that all the time??

March 19th, 2007, 02:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
dddown Rookie Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11	He does....he's been MVP runner-up for some time. Don't get me wrong....I like Cano,alot. I just like Soriano the same...yes he was benched...got me there...but A-Rod (who is going to the HOF and should be) has something about him that comes the playoffs (especially last year) just doesn't seem right. If players can't be judged on the playoffs (when it counts most), what good is it anyway? A player is judged on their character just the same as their stats. Sorry, but right now, A-Rod's missing something come October I hope he proves me wrong.