MLB power rankings - Page 2

77smbg9177 · February 13th, 2007, 12:39 PM

If we stop reading them it wont make a difference if people called and complaid or wrote letters something like that then they can get a good idea that he is not good at his job.

RickJay · February 13th, 2007, 08:33 PM

There's always one team in these lists that makes you say "huh"? and in this case it's the Red Sox. This is a team last year that allowed more runs than it scored, and now they're the fifth best team in baseball because they added a Japanese pitcher with a cool name, plus the immortal Julio Lugo?

Er, no.

all4phillysportsfan · February 14th, 2007, 07:35 AM

Red Sox are the best team in baseball on paper right now.

Sawman · February 14th, 2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RickJay

There's always one team in these lists that makes you say "huh"? and in this case it's the Red Sox. This is a team last year that allowed more runs than it scored, and now they're the fifth best team in baseball because they added a Japanese pitcher with a cool name, plus the immortal Julio Lugo?

Er, no.

Boston brought in JD Drew and Daisuke Matsuzaka and they're not one of the best teams in the league on paper? I don't see it. That lineup is going to score runs, and their pitching is drastically improved with DM and Papelbon in the rotation. It's their relief corps they need to worry about.

RickJay · February 14th, 2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sawman

Boston brought in JD Drew and Daisuke Matsuzaka and they're not one of the best teams in the league on paper? I don't see it. That lineup is going to score runs, and their pitching is drastically improved with DM and Papelbon in the rotation. It's their relief corps they need to worry about.

Well, let's be honest; the 2006 Red Sox weren't a very good team. They were intensely lucky to go 86-76; they scored and allowed runs like an 80-82 team.

Papelbon's a fine pitcher but (a) isn't going to have a sub-1 ERA again and (b) is simply going to pitch more innings; they gain him in the rotation but lose his high-leverage relief innings. So basically you're telling me a .500 team is a great team because it added J.D. Drew, half of a good starter, and a pitcher who might be good but, then again, might not. Many of their 2006 weaknesses remain 2007 weaknesses.

Gosh, J.D. Drew's a good player 110-120 games a year but he's not Babe Ruth. They sure look like an 88-74 team to me, assuming the additions do well, and if that's the fifth best team in baseball, I'm Lou Gehrig. They'd sure better hope David Ortiz hits 54 home runs again.

BravesRule22 · February 14th, 2007, 02:55 PM

I just dont agree with you at all Rick

They have a top 3 offense in baseball

They have the best rotation 1-5 in the game, IMO

And their BP is an unknown right now. If Pinero sticks @ closer or Hansen steps up and does what everyone thinks he can do then they are going to be extremely difficult to beat.

Nimajneb · February 14th, 2007, 06:23 PM

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If Pineiro sticks @ closer

Not to distract from the main topic overmuch, but while Pineiro does tend to be more effective within his first 1-2 innings of work, and has had more success in limited sample sizes as a reliever than as a starter... that wasn't his main problem of the past few years. His fastball/curve combo simply cannot effectively get righthanded hitters out anymore. He may not be as bad as he looked as a starter last year, but particularly with the move into Fenway... he's not going to be a good pitcher.

77smbg9177 · March 7th, 2007, 02:20 PM

i agree with Nimajneb overall i would have to rank boston lower then what they are ranked right now they did add some good players to this team but i wouldn't say they are the best team on paper or even off of paper, they sould be lower but still in the top 10 easily

got_rings_26_1998_1999_00 · March 13th, 2007, 06:33 AM

Yankees #1 as it should be.

Jeter going for 5 !!!

all4phillysportsfan · March 13th, 2007, 09:02 AM

Boston should be #1 because they are the best team on paper in my opinion.

77smbg9177 · March 20th, 2007, 09:07 AM

How are you goign to say that Boston is the best team in baseball on paper their are other teams that on paper look better then Boston. One of them which i hate to say because i hate them with all ymheart is the yankees mainly because when it comes down to it the yankees have the edge over them in pitching all Boston has is Shilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka (who has been not as good as every thought of so far even though it is spring training), Wakefield, and either Papelbon (Who never started a game before in the MLB and who is coming back from injury) or Lester against the yankees who have Wang, Mussina, Pettitte (he is getting older but still has the stuff), Pavano (Also coming back from an injury and hasn't started in a while, Igawa (Has to prove himself first and it starts with spring training.

So you tell me what looks better and not because you like them or you hate the other team because i'm one of the biggest yankee haters here.

1. Schilling vs Wang I personally give it to Wang
2. Beckett vs Mussina I give this one to Mussina
3. Matsuzaka vs Pettitte I give this to Pettitte
4. Papelbon vs Pavona Close on but i give it to Papelbon
5a. Wakefield vs Igawa Close again but Wakefield
5b. Lester vs Igawa I give it to Lester

bedir than average · March 20th, 2007, 09:16 AM

Wow, I don't think I could ever see someone think that the pathetic Yankees rotation of oft-injured, aging, or one year wonders versus the Red Sox and see the Sox as worse...now I have.

DiamondDave · March 20th, 2007, 10:03 AM

The Yankee fans put on the pinstripe glasses once again

RickJay · March 21st, 2007, 08:01 PM

Sure, Wang didn't strike out a lot of guys last year but Schilling's about a thousand years old. Matsuzaka's an unknown quantity. Beckett's injury prone. It's not THAT great a rotation in Boston, ya know.

bedir than average · March 21st, 2007, 08:03 PM

Matsuzaka shouldn't be unknown. I would say that during the merger era there was as much written about Daisuke as any other pitcher in the game.

Keeping tabs on Daisuke Matsuzaka - www.scout.com

garstar goes by Jim Potable here

February 13th, 2007, 12:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
77smbg9177 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 670	If we stop reading them it wont make a difference if people called and complaid or wrote letters something like that then they can get a good idea that he is not good at his job. __________________ METS 07 WS CHAMPS i like how that just rolls of the tongue cant wait until that comes true

February 14th, 2007, 07:35 AM	#18 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Red Sox are the best team in baseball on paper right now. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

February 14th, 2007, 02:55 PM	#21 (permalink)
BravesRule22 Basketball Community Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,089	I just dont agree with you at all Rick They have a top 3 offense in baseball They have the best rotation 1-5 in the game, IMO And their BP is an unknown right now. If Pinero sticks @ closer or Hansen steps up and does what everyone thinks he can do then they are going to be extremely difficult to beat. __________________ Braves, Knicks, Bucs, Louisville

March 7th, 2007, 02:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
77smbg9177 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 670	i agree with Nimajneb overall i would have to rank boston lower then what they are ranked right now they did add some good players to this team but i wouldn't say they are the best team on paper or even off of paper, they sould be lower but still in the top 10 easily __________________ METS 07 WS CHAMPS i like how that just rolls of the tongue cant wait until that comes true

March 13th, 2007, 09:02 AM	#25 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	Boston should be #1 because they are the best team on paper in my opinion. __________________ Philly Sports: The worst drought in America.

February 13th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
RickJay Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 50	There's always one team in these lists that makes you say "huh"? and in this case it's the Red Sox. This is a team last year that allowed more runs than it scored, and now they're the fifth best team in baseball because they added a Japanese pitcher with a cool name, plus the immortal Julio Lugo? Er, no.

March 13th, 2007, 06:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
got_rings_26_1998_1999_00 Rookie Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Yankees #1 as it should be. Jeter going for 5 !!!

March 20th, 2007, 09:07 AM	#26 (permalink)
77smbg9177 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 670	How are you goign to say that Boston is the best team in baseball on paper their are other teams that on paper look better then Boston. One of them which i hate to say because i hate them with all ymheart is the yankees mainly because when it comes down to it the yankees have the edge over them in pitching all Boston has is Shilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka (who has been not as good as every thought of so far even though it is spring training), Wakefield, and either Papelbon (Who never started a game before in the MLB and who is coming back from injury) or Lester against the yankees who have Wang, Mussina, Pettitte (he is getting older but still has the stuff), Pavano (Also coming back from an injury and hasn't started in a while, Igawa (Has to prove himself first and it starts with spring training. So you tell me what looks better and not because you like them or you hate the other team because i'm one of the biggest yankee haters here. 1. Schilling vs Wang I personally give it to Wang 2. Beckett vs Mussina I give this one to Mussina 3. Matsuzaka vs Pettitte I give this to Pettitte 4. Papelbon vs Pavona Close on but i give it to Papelbon 5a. Wakefield vs Igawa Close again but Wakefield 5b. Lester vs Igawa I give it to Lester __________________ METS 07 WS CHAMPS i like how that just rolls of the tongue cant wait until that comes true

March 20th, 2007, 09:16 AM	#27 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Wow, I don't think I could ever see someone think that the pathetic Yankees rotation of oft-injured, aging, or one year wonders versus the Red Sox and see the Sox as worse...now I have. __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.

March 20th, 2007, 10:03 AM	#28 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	The Yankee fans put on the pinstripe glasses once again __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

March 21st, 2007, 08:01 PM	#29 (permalink)
RickJay Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 50	Sure, Wang didn't strike out a lot of guys last year but Schilling's about a thousand years old. Matsuzaka's an unknown quantity. Beckett's injury prone. It's not THAT great a rotation in Boston, ya know.

March 21st, 2007, 08:03 PM	#30 (permalink)
bedir than average Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,258	Matsuzaka shouldn't be unknown. I would say that during the merger era there was as much written about Daisuke as any other pitcher in the game. Keeping tabs on Daisuke Matsuzaka - www.scout.com garstar goes by Jim Potable here __________________ I'm sorry I left for a while. I needed a vaction, and then work changed substantially. I'm over 50 hour weeks, plus two hours a day of commuting time. A few weeks ago I launched my own blog about Seattle Sounders FC and Life in Puget Sound. I won't be by these parts often as my focus has changed. Sorry about the unannounced retirement.