3 teams in NY?

[RickJay]

Originally Posted by 77smbg9177

if you were to put another team in NY you could very well do so especially up state buffalo area and big woop NY would have 3 teams in the state thats because of exactly what Nochoma said ny can support it just like CA supporting there SIX teams because they have the fans and support to and i think it would be fine to put a third team in NY the only thing i wounder is what the team would be in AL or NL

Buffalo is a small, poor city by major league standards. A team couldn't possibly succeed there. The fact that Buffalo happens to be in the same state as New York City is irrelevant; they're six hours apart if you're driving fast, and they bear no similarities at all. Buffalo is about as close to, and similar to, New York City as is Harrisburg.

It's not nearly as big as Milwaukee, and much poorer.

[77smbg9177]

ok but then there are still other parts of ny you can place a new team not just buffalo

[Zen653]

ok but then there are still other parts of ny you can place a new team not just buffalo

Where? After New York City, Buffalo is the largest city in New York. Its population is at around 1.5 million and rapidly shrinking. The AAA team draws well in Buffalo but that's at AAA prices. The city already has NFL and NHL franchises, although both teams appear to be in danger of eventual relocation. It took a local billionaire to save the Sabres, and the Bills probably won't survive in Western New York past the Ralph Wilson era. In terms of the financial demographics, Buffalo is a blue collar industrial city. No corporate money means no luxury box suites and few sponsorship deals. Placing a team in Buffalo would also weaken the Cleveland Indians and Toronto Blue Jays, both of whom draw from Western New York (at least on weekends and in terms of radio broadcasts.) Buffalo had its chance at landing Major League Baseball in 1991 when it looked like the Montreal Expos might relocate there. It didn't work out. The demographics of both cities have changed dramatically during the last 16 years. I think Buffalo will be far more focused on trying to save the teams it already has, then on adding new ones. It's an uphill battle for cities like Buffalo and Pittsburgh to keep their teams.

I'm not sure if a third team would work in New York City. Yankees and Mets fans aren't suddenly going to become Marlins fans. We've seen that problem in Florida where the northeast transplants follow their former teams, not the local ones. One place in Greater New York that could mitigate the alleigance problem would be Brooklyn. If you build a replica of Ebbets Field, nostalgia would win over that borough to the Brooklyn Marlins.

I'd forget about placing a team in New Jersey. The Nets and Devils are perfect examples of why that doesn't work, plus most people in northern Jersey adore the Yankees. That's not going to change just because you add a team with New Jersey in its title.

The Yankees and Mets would both object to adding a third team to the area. And baseball has an anti-trust exemption which means that a team would not be able to use Section 1 or 2 of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to go after MLB or the two New York teams for restraints on competition. Congress would first have to revoke the exemption, and even then, the rule of reason analysis might not yield the desired result (although the Raiders precedent makes me think that a New York plaintiff would probably win.)

Hartford is too small to host a major league team. If it can't adequately support the NHL, with half the games and half the attendance, it won't support baseball. Hartford doesn't even have AAA or AA.

I'd say that Brooklyn would be a good relocation site. I think Boston would be a decent relocation site, despite the intense fan loyalty to the Red Sox. If the Marlins moved into a new waterfront stadium in South Boston, offered reasonably priced tickets, and agreed to work out a schedule where they're rarely in Boston at the same time as the Red Sox, I think the team would do no worse than the White Sox in Chicago. I love the Red Sox but I also love baseball. I could see lots of people going to Marlins games in Boston, even if they never develop a rooting interest in the team. I know I'd go to a bunch of games. My guess is that the Red Sox would continue to draw 35,000+ a night, and that the Marlins would draw around 15-25,000 a night. Those aren't outstanding numbers but 15-25,000 in Boston would bring in a lot more revenue than 8,000 in South Florida, and it would also reduce some payroll disparity because of the added competition for the Red Sox (which would mainly occur at the corporate sponsorship, broadcasting, and ticket pricing levels.) Plus, I'm basing my attendance figures on the current Marlins team. If they got good again, there's no question in my mind that both the Red Sox and Marlins would be packed houses every night.