THe AL MVP goes to Morneau

bedir than average · 11-21-2006, 03:21 PM

Twin First Bagger beats out Jeter

Morneau, Jeter, Ortiz, Thomas, Dye, Maeur, Santana, Hafner, Guerrero, and C.Guillen are the top ten.

I'm surprised that Morneau won, I didn't even expect him to be higher than his two teammates.

Guillen coming in 10th hurts as the Seattle Mariners got nothing for him.

Dada · 11-21-2006, 03:35 PM

I think it was deserved. He had an amazing year, and really carried that team through some stretches. Mauer gets all the attention, but it was Morneau hurting people...

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-21-2006, 03:39 PM

He won deservatively so. I don't think he would have won if the Twins didn't win the AL Central, though (I still would have voted for him, but it's just my opinion that he wouldn't have gotten as many votes that way).

He set a franchise record for RBI's, is that correct?

bedir than average · 11-21-2006, 04:36 PM

Yep, but RBIs don't tell the whole picture.

I'm a bit fan of Win Probability Added for something like MVP

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...=0&season=2006

Ortiz, Jeter and Dye all beat Morneau who barely edges out Hafner.

If one prefers Win Shares Morneau comes in fifth.

He is also beaten by guys who play tougher positions on teams that won as many games.

Yankee1012 · 11-21-2006, 04:53 PM

I thought Jeter was gonna get it but im glad that it was Morneau. I said that if Jeter didnt win it Morneau would and he did. Morneau had a great year and this is a sign that he should be around as a elite hitter for a while.

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-21-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bedir than average

Yep, but RBIs don't tell the whole picture.

Oh, I'm sure that it doesn't. As a matter of fact, I tend to consider that stat highly overrated. I was just confirming that I had my facts right when I said that. Wasn't trying to prove a point of his MVP status or anything.

One sabermetric that I particularly love is the RC27 stat. It says that, assuming you have a team comprising of nine of the same player, "this" is the number of runs [on average] that your team would score in a game. It doesn't even take RBI's into account with the many formulas that people have come up with for this stat. In 2004, Barry Bonds had a number of like twenty something, which is believable for his average, slugging percentage, and on-base percentage for that year.

bedir than average · 11-21-2006, 07:11 PM

ESPN has sortable RC/27

This links to RC/27 AL Qualifiers

Top 5 are Hafner, Manny, Ortiz, Thome, Dye

Morneau comes in 9th behind Mauer.

RotatorCuff · 11-21-2006, 09:50 PM

Nice to see a Canadian win it and from my home province as well.

A deserving winner.

bedir than average · 11-21-2006, 09:55 PM

Can't argue with that logic

Sportycliche · 11-21-2006, 10:23 PM

probably the 4th best player on his own team. Good job Morneau (who I like) you were able to get hits with people on base...here is your MVP award.

Joe Mauer got jobbed

pacino · 11-22-2006, 09:51 AM

Just horrible: http://hugetinymistake.wordpress.com...s-accomplices/

fooknasty · 11-22-2006, 10:41 AM

It should have gone to Jeter, but whatever......

The biggest surprise is that Frank Thomas was 4th, ahead of Jermaine Dye!!!!

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-22-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pacino

Just horrible: http://hugetinymistake.wordpress.com...s-accomplices/

It's not like a guy that was above him this year can be mad at Morneau for winning the MVP award. It's not like Morneau went up to the podium and grabbed the award before somebody else. It's not like he tipped a few voters to poll his way. It was just based on people voting for him. Not you or I, but currently, votes are cast using the "ranked choice" method. Each elector votes for 10 players, ranking each player from 1-10. The player ranked first on a ballot is assigned 14 points, the player ranked second is assigned 9 points, on down to the player ranked 10th, who receives one point. Obviously, Morneau didn't have to be atop everybody's list, but his totals could have outdone everbody else's.

How many points did he win by?

reject · 11-22-2006, 11:10 AM

I know I'm a Red Sox fan, but if Jeter won it, that would be one of the most crap decisions in MVP history.

unreal654 · 11-22-2006, 01:52 PM

Does anyone else think it takes way too long for baseball to declare an MVP? Personally, baseball has already lost my attention with football and basketball in full swing. I think they should try to get this award decided on sooner.

11-21-2006, 03:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	THe AL MVP goes to Morneau Twin First Bagger beats out Jeter Morneau, Jeter, Ortiz, Thomas, Dye, Maeur, Santana, Hafner, Guerrero, and C.Guillen are the top ten. I'm surprised that Morneau won, I didn't even expect him to be higher than his two teammates. Guillen coming in 10th hurts as the Seattle Mariners got nothing for him. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

11-21-2006, 03:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	He won deservatively so. I don't think he would have won if the Twins didn't win the AL Central, though (I still would have voted for him, but it's just my opinion that he wouldn't have gotten as many votes that way). He set a franchise record for RBI's, is that correct? __________________

11-21-2006, 04:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	Yep, but RBIs don't tell the whole picture. I'm a bit fan of Win Probability Added for something like MVP http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...=0&season=2006 Ortiz, Jeter and Dye all beat Morneau who barely edges out Hafner. If one prefers Win Shares Morneau comes in fifth. He is also beaten by guys who play tougher positions on teams that won as many games. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

11-21-2006, 04:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Yankee1012 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 554	I thought Jeter was gonna get it but im glad that it was Morneau. I said that if Jeter didnt win it Morneau would and he did. Morneau had a great year and this is a sign that he should be around as a elite hitter for a while. __________________ Jets-Yankees-Knicks-Cowboys-GA Tech-Rangers

11-21-2006, 07:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	ESPN has sortable RC/27 This links to RC/27 AL Qualifiers Top 5 are Hafner, Manny, Ortiz, Thome, Dye Morneau comes in 9th behind Mauer. __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

11-21-2006, 03:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dada Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 125	I think it was deserved. He had an amazing year, and really carried that team through some stretches. Mauer gets all the attention, but it was Morneau hurting people...

11-21-2006, 09:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
RotatorCuff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 257	Nice to see a Canadian win it and from my home province as well. A deserving winner.

11-21-2006, 09:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	Can't argue with that logic __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide

11-21-2006, 10:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sportycliche Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 143	probably the 4th best player on his own team. Good job Morneau (who I like) you were able to get hits with people on base...here is your MVP award. Joe Mauer got jobbed

11-22-2006, 09:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
pacino Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 346	Just horrible: http://hugetinymistake.wordpress.com...s-accomplices/

11-22-2006, 10:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
fooknasty Rookie Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13	It should have gone to Jeter, but whatever...... The biggest surprise is that Frank Thomas was 4th, ahead of Jermaine Dye!!!!

11-22-2006, 11:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
reject Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cape Cod, Massachusetts Posts: 158	I know I'm a Red Sox fan, but if Jeter won it, that would be one of the most crap decisions in MVP history.

11-22-2006, 01:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
unreal654 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 331	Does anyone else think it takes way too long for baseball to declare an MVP? Personally, baseball has already lost my attention with football and basketball in full swing. I think they should try to get this award decided on sooner.