Who's in charge?

LongtimeBravesFan · 04-22-2008, 03:28 PM

A dispute has emerged between Hank Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman over the issue of pitcher Joba Chamberlin being a starter or reliever.

Granted, these are the Yankees and Hank seems to be his father's son, but aren't decisions like this usually made by the manager and/or the pitching coach?

Nat · 04-22-2008, 04:52 PM

Yes...unfortunately, as you inferred, the NYY organization has a "I pay your salary to do what I say, not what I hired you to do" mentality. And you see how well that has worked out for Al Davis' Raiders in recent years...

djwhokid · 05-06-2008, 01:41 AM

The Yankees should just trade for Zito and take that contract.

Nat · 05-06-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by djwhokid

The Yankees should just trade for Zito and take that contract.

Why?

bedir than average · 05-06-2008, 09:16 AM

They need someone to pitch batting practice

Simp · 05-06-2008, 09:57 AM

This is why it's hard to judge Cashman as a GM. He's had a maniacal owner pulling from one side and a "faction" in Tampa pulling from the other. And it looks like Hank is trying to be as much of a jackass as his father.

djwhokid · 05-07-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nat

Why?

The Yankees have serious holes in the rotation. Besides, Zito is only 29. He looks like a spring chicken compared to Mike Mussina and Andy Pettitte.

In 2003, the Braves took a chance on Mike Hampton, and he had a decent year that year. Zito is young than Hampton and more durable.

Zito seems salvageable

Of course, I am under the assumption that money is not an issue for the Yankees. Hell, the Giants would probably have to throw in a prospect just for another team to eat that contract!

Nat · 05-07-2008, 06:29 AM

I think they'd be better talking to the A's about Joe Blanton...I'm sure Billy Beane would listen. Zito's been on a steady decline since 2004 and I think that 82MPH fastball would get smacked around even worse in the AL.

djwhokid · 05-07-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nat

I think they'd be better talking to the A's about Joe Blanton...I'm sure Billy Beane would listen. Zito's been on a steady decline since 2004 and I think that 82MPH fastball would get smacked around even worse in the AL.

True, but Blanton would cost more prospects. I do not believe the Yankees farm system is that great... is it?

LongtimeBravesFan · 05-09-2008, 07:41 AM

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In 2003, the Braves took a chance on Mike Hampton, and he had a decent year that year. Zito is young than Hampton and more durable.

The Yankees are welcome to Hampton.

Triad · 05-09-2008, 11:41 AM

I'd rather have Pettitte using his cane at the mound than the youthful Zito throwing up his marshmallow batting practice pitches. Are the Yanks short on batting practice pitchers? Zito's got the resume' for it.

djwhokid · 05-10-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Triad

I'd rather have Pettitte using his cane at the mound than the youthful Zito throwing up his marshmallow batting practice pitches. Are the Yanks short on batting practice pitchers? Zito's got the resume' for it.

Why are you so opposed to the idea of a pitcher being able to resurrect his career?

Didn't Jose Contreras rebound nicely in Chicago?

bedir than average · 05-10-2008, 05:11 PM

Contreras hadn't had several poor seasons in a row, and he went to a SMALLER media market, not a larger.

Here's Zito's BB/9

Here's Contreras

Triad · 05-12-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by djwhokid

Why are you so opposed to the idea of a pitcher being able to resurrect his career?

Zito has had a cumulative losing record over the last 5 seasons, from age 26-30. I like Zito as a person, but he's no better than a third or fourth starter on a team.

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Originally Posted by djwhokid

Didn't Jose Contreras rebound nicely in Chicago?

Contreras had only one season of mediocre games in 2004, and had been 7-2 with a 3.30 ERA in 2003, his first season. And then he went back on the rocks in 2007.

04-22-2008, 03:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
LongtimeBravesFan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,756	Who's in charge? A dispute has emerged between Hank Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman over the issue of pitcher Joba Chamberlin being a starter or reliever. Granted, these are the Yankees and Hank seems to be his father's son, but aren't decisions like this usually made by the manager and/or the pitching coach?

04-22-2008, 04:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nat Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,079	Yes...unfortunately, as you inferred, the NYY organization has a "I pay your salary to do what I say, not what I hired you to do" mentality. And you see how well that has worked out for Al Davis' Raiders in recent years... __________________ Brush the dirt off ya shoulders... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJex9Ge2-Q

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05-07-2008, 06:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
Nat Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,079	I think they'd be better talking to the A's about Joe Blanton...I'm sure Billy Beane would listen. Zito's been on a steady decline since 2004 and I think that 82MPH fastball would get smacked around even worse in the AL. __________________ Brush the dirt off ya shoulders... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJex9Ge2-Q

05-10-2008, 05:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
bedir than average Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Starbucks Posts: 8,256	Contreras hadn't had several poor seasons in a row, and he went to a SMALLER media market, not a larger. Here's Zito's BB/9 Here's Contreras __________________ US Men's National Team World Cup Qualifying \| Democracy in Sports Meets My First Campaign "You're only so sure you're right because they're so sure you're wrong." Orson Scott Card in Xenocide Last edited by bedir than average; 05-10-2008 at 05:15 PM.

05-06-2008, 09:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
Simp Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 361	This is why it's hard to judge Cashman as a GM. He's had a maniacal owner pulling from one side and a "faction" in Tampa pulling from the other. And it looks like Hank is trying to be as much of a jackass as his father.

05-09-2008, 11:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
Triad Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 212	I'd rather have Pettitte using his cane at the mound than the youthful Zito throwing up his marshmallow batting practice pitches. Are the Yanks short on batting practice pitchers? Zito's got the resume' for it.