Who is wrong? Umps or announcers? - Page 3

Simp · 06-01-2008, 08:17 AM

Announcers will almost always point out the wisdom of putting the baserunner in motion when it's apparent the result would've been a DP otherwise. But what I've never heard them bring up is the negative aspect of it: often times a batter is forced to swing at a pitch he normally would not have, to protect the runner. So perhaps the reason he hit a tailor-made DP grounder is because he was forced to chase a pitch down and away, thanks to the manager calling for the hit-and-run.

Simp · 06-14-2008, 06:22 PM

One of the Rays' announcers was just talking about the Marlins and their home run prowess, but then lamented their lack of "small ball". He went on to say that teams that hit 200 or more homers don't do well in the playoffs. He seemed to be hinting that home runs have a negative correlation with winning. I was of course skepitical and went to baseball-reference .com and found that 5 of the last 10 WS winners hit 200 or more HRs. Another thing this guy said was the Yankees stopped winning WS after they started hitting 200+ HRs a year: 2 of the Yankees' 4 WS winning teams since 1996 hit 200+ HRs, including arguably their (and the?) best team ever, the '98 squad. Do announcers just make this stuff up? Don't they have people that do research?

Simp · 06-14-2008, 06:51 PM

Take it one step further: 7 out of the ;ast 10 WS winning teams hit as many or more home runs as their opponents did in the series.

Simp · 06-14-2008, 07:19 PM

*EDIT* Sorry, it was actually the White Sox announcers.

Nice bit of objectivity displayed by the Rockies announcers talking about Helton's HOF worthiness and how they couldn't think of any reason why he wouldn't be a first-ballot shoe-in. Well, except of course for any "clowns" who are "foolish" enough to take Coors Field into account.

Career home/away splits (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS):

H: .364/.462/.656/1.118
A: .296/.396/.497/.894

And none of this takes into account the extreme offensive era he's played in.

Triad · 06-16-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Simp

Nice bit of objectivity displayed by the Rockies announcers talking about Helton's HOF worthiness and how they couldn't think of any reason why he wouldn't be a first-ballot shoe-in. Well, except of course for any "clowns" who are "foolish" enough to take Coors Field into account.

Here's another case where MVP voting adds some much needed light on the subject, and puts it in greater context. Helton has only one top 5 MVP selection (which was a #5). He also has a #7 and a #9, for his only other top ten finishes. This is a shoo-in? Hello, McFly! The Rockies' announcers are high on something else other than air.

Helton had five very good seasons. But for a first baseman, you need more than that on offense. If he were another position, then a case could be made for him.

06-14-2008, 07:19 PM	#34 (permalink)
Simp Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 394	EDIT Sorry, it was actually the White Sox announcers. Nice bit of objectivity displayed by the Rockies announcers talking about Helton's HOF worthiness and how they couldn't think of any reason why he wouldn't be a first-ballot shoe-in. Well, except of course for any "clowns" who are "foolish" enough to take Coors Field into account. Career home/away splits (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS): H: .364/.462/.656/1.118 A: .296/.396/.497/.894 And none of this takes into account the extreme offensive era he's played in. Last edited by Simp; 06-14-2008 at 07:30 PM. Reason: Felt like it and made a mistake

06-01-2008, 08:17 AM	#31 (permalink)
Simp Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 394	Announcers will almost always point out the wisdom of putting the baserunner in motion when it's apparent the result would've been a DP otherwise. But what I've never heard them bring up is the negative aspect of it: often times a batter is forced to swing at a pitch he normally would not have, to protect the runner. So perhaps the reason he hit a tailor-made DP grounder is because he was forced to chase a pitch down and away, thanks to the manager calling for the hit-and-run.

06-14-2008, 06:22 PM	#32 (permalink)
Simp Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 394	One of the Rays' announcers was just talking about the Marlins and their home run prowess, but then lamented their lack of "small ball". He went on to say that teams that hit 200 or more homers don't do well in the playoffs. He seemed to be hinting that home runs have a negative correlation with winning. I was of course skepitical and went to baseball-reference .com and found that 5 of the last 10 WS winners hit 200 or more HRs. Another thing this guy said was the Yankees stopped winning WS after they started hitting 200+ HRs a year: 2 of the Yankees' 4 WS winning teams since 1996 hit 200+ HRs, including arguably their (and the?) best team ever, the '98 squad. Do announcers just make this stuff up? Don't they have people that do research?

06-14-2008, 06:51 PM	#33 (permalink)
Simp Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 394	Take it one step further: 7 out of the ;ast 10 WS winning teams hit as many or more home runs as their opponents did in the series.