Barry Bonds Indicted

[kflo]

yes, lets ignore that it's only been the cheaters hitting 60+, and that they only hit 60+ after they used.

triad - noone think only the hr leaders took steroids. it was a leaguewide problem. but they did have an advantage over those who didn't use, and there were many of them as well.

the added strength and bat speed does more than simply make the ball go farther. it improves your ability to actually hit. bat speed and reaction time are the leading contributers to players decline. conversly, increased bat speed can materially affect you positively as well. the formulas only apply to differences given hitting the ball the same way.

fact is, these guys knowingly, and covertly, tried to gain competitive advantage. for a reason. there's good reason they took it, and good reason they hid it.

[Triad]

We can compare the seasons before Bonds bulked up with the seasons after. Supposedly the transformation occurred prior to 2000.

___'95-99_'00-04
DP --- 57 --- 27
K --- 400 -- 316
BA - .294 - .339

Would swinging harder produce about half as many double plays and about 75% of the strikeouts? That doesn't make sense. And he was also a slower runner at age 35-39 than he was at 30-34. Also, how did swinging harder cause him to make better contact?

The following is an analysis from another web site. Everything mentioned cannot be attributed to increasing one's strength. What people are overlooking is that Bonds became a tremendously disciplined hitter in his mid-30s.

Also, bat speed with increased weight will make the ball go farther. Prince Fielder swinging at 95 mph will make the ball go farther than Ryan Braun swinging at 95 mph. It's not unusual for players to bulk up in the second half of their careers: Reggie Jackson, Willie Stargell, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Ken Griffey Jr., Harmon Killebrew. Increased weight alone will add more distance to the same swing.

When Bonds’ swing is viewed in a frame-by-frame state, a few things are readily clear: his head, incredibly, is nearly pefectly still, and his bat’s path to the ball is as close to perfection as can be imagined. Or at least actually performed. His swing just makes you stop and shake your head. Power hitters are not supposed to have the swing that Bonds has. And batting champs are not supposed to have the power that Bonds possesses. After Bonds’ short front-foot plant, his legs, hips, shoulders and bat follow his father’s blueprint and his swing is immediately one of superb control and awesome power.

Considering the power generated, the short, compact swing of Bonds is remarkable in that there are no wasted movements – for the duration of Bonds’ swing, each twentieth of a second has a purpose, and Bonds understands completely what those purposes are.

Incredibly, Bonds actually chokes up on what is already a very small bat. Consider: there is a good chance that you swung a larger-sized bat in your high school days.

There was much hard work involved to get the separate body parts acting as one. And at times it is a struggle for Bonds to restore order in his swing when something is out of sync. (when Bonds is out of whack it manifests usually in the form of pop-ups in foul territory near third base.)

But what Bonds has in his favor when something is out of sync is that he: is a student of the game; possesses remarkable mental and physical abilities; quickly recognizes baseball patterns and trends; nearly immediately recognizes a pitched ball’s speed, rotation and location – they all seem to be calculated by bonds while the ball is still in the pitcher’s hand.

Bonds’ baseball acumen is arguably unsurpassed. and he has almost total recall regarding his personal history with opposing managers, pitchers, particular games and even particular at-bats and pitches.

How can such things be attributed to steroids?

[kflo]

Originally Posted by Triad

We can compare the seasons before Bonds bulked up with the seasons after. Supposedly the transformation occurred prior to 2000.

___'95-99_'00-04
DP --- 57 --- 27
K --- 400 -- 316
BA - .294 - .339

Would swinging harder produce about half as many double plays and about 75% of the strikeouts? That doesn't make sense. And he was also a slower runner at age 35-39 than he was at 30-34. Also, how did swinging harder cause him to make better contact?

The following is an analysis from another web site. Everything mentioned cannot be attributed to increasing one's strength. What people are overlooking is that Bonds became a tremendously disciplined hitter in his mid-30s.

Also, bat speed with increased weight will make the ball go farther. Prince Fielder swinging at 95 mph will make the ball go farther than Ryan Braun swinging at 95 mph. It's not unusual for players to bulk up in the second half of their careers: Reggie Jackson, Willie Stargell, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Ken Griffey Jr., Harmon Killebrew. Increased weight alone will add more distance to the same swing.

When Bonds’ swing is viewed in a frame-by-frame state, a few things are readily clear: his head, incredibly, is nearly pefectly still, and his bat’s path to the ball is as close to perfection as can be imagined. Or at least actually performed. His swing just makes you stop and shake your head. Power hitters are not supposed to have the swing that Bonds has. And batting champs are not supposed to have the power that Bonds possesses. After Bonds’ short front-foot plant, his legs, hips, shoulders and bat follow his father’s blueprint and his swing is immediately one of superb control and awesome power.

Considering the power generated, the short, compact swing of Bonds is remarkable in that there are no wasted movements – for the duration of Bonds’ swing, each twentieth of a second has a purpose, and Bonds understands completely what those purposes are.

Incredibly, Bonds actually chokes up on what is already a very small bat. Consider: there is a good chance that you swung a larger-sized bat in your high school days.

There was much hard work involved to get the separate body parts acting as one. And at times it is a struggle for Bonds to restore order in his swing when something is out of sync. (when Bonds is out of whack it manifests usually in the form of pop-ups in foul territory near third base.)

But what Bonds has in his favor when something is out of sync is that he: is a student of the game; possesses remarkable mental and physical abilities; quickly recognizes baseball patterns and trends; nearly immediately recognizes a pitched ball’s speed, rotation and location – they all seem to be calculated by bonds while the ball is still in the pitcher’s hand.

Bonds’ baseball acumen is arguably unsurpassed. and he has almost total recall regarding his personal history with opposing managers, pitchers, particular games and even particular at-bats and pitches.

How can such things be attributed to steroids?

who said swinging harder? quicker bat doesn't mean one is swinging harder.

thing is, we don't need to speculate. bonds did steroids. and his performance dramatically increased. we can debate the influence of steroids on that, but fact is he had historic seasons while juicing. as did mcgwire. and sosa.