HoF: Ins & Outs, Memory Lane Walkaround

[Triad]

Originally Posted by nanwynnfan

"Up front, I am NOT picketing for these guys to get into the HoF, but rather to point out that, if we were to look at five year, seven, year, or some other peak period, these guys would fare much better than some others who have built a consituency of avid supporters."

This part here is probably what threw me:
"Before other marginal HoF applicants get votes, these guys [or many of them] should come first."

So you were actually saying that many of those you listed should get HoF votes before other marginal applicants. I took that to mean that you thought many of them were worthy of the Hall of Fame.

Originally Posted by nanwynnfan

I know full well that Bob Elliott played 3B; but YOU seem to overlook the fact that he began his MLB career as an OF, playing all 3 positions. I attempted to put players at the positions where I thought their comps MIGHT look better.

That's like saying Craig Biggio is considered a catcher. Elliott had only two seasons with 100 or more games in the outfield.

Elliott:
3B: 1,365 G
OF: 537 G

Originally Posted by nanwynnfan

Similarly, Dick Allen [who's not going to get in] played some OF; and with guys already in and guys like Hernandez knocking on the door, I tossed him in where I thought his chances would be better.

Dick Allen was an outfielder for only one year.

Allen:
1B: 807 G
3B: 652 G
OF: 256 G

I only mentioned those to make your list more accurate.

That's all you got out of my post? Didn't you like any of my additions?

[nanwynnfan]

"So you were actually saying that many of those you listed should get HoF votes before other marginal applicants. I took that to mean that you thought many of them were worthy of the Hall of Fame."


The fact that the word NOT is block-caps in my disclaimer introduction seems to have eluded your notice. Furthermore, you chose to combine that oversight with the observation that a number of them deserve to be voted in before some marginal players-in-waiting at present.

I saw Bob Ellott play [I had introduced the entire thread with that thought], as all other players roughly from 1930-1990; so [for the second time now] I explained why I put him in with the OF-ers.

I erred in the Hargrove and Allen placements [as I already explained] by the rather foolish idea that I'd put them where I thought they'd have the least "power" image to live up to. I might as easily have identified them as "worthy players" without delving into positions. I then acknowledged the faulty premise, yet you must have your moment by spelling out the game numbers by position, as if I didn't know these players, despite the fact that I was praising their talents.

[I might very well ask your very question: Is that all you got out of my premise? To make position refinements?]

I might also have been called out on my placement of Billy Goodman, who also played several positions. I placed him, like others, for example, in the OF [if they played some OF] rather than 1b [which might have dominated their playing time] simply because 1B has become so strongly identified as a power slot.

I presented a premise. You corrected some questionable decisions on position placement. Congratulations on your exactitude.