Dodgers sign Pierre - 5 years, $45 million

Sawman · 11-20-2006, 07:28 PM

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ESPN.com is reporting that the Dodgers and outfielder Juan Pierre have agreed to a five-year, $45 million contract.

We'd take Alfonso Soriano at $17 million per year first. The Dodgers likely could have re-signed Kenny Lofton for $3 million or so and gotten 90 percent of Pierre at a third of the price for 2007. Pierre's durability is nice and his defensive statistics have improved through the years, but he's had OBPs of .326 and .330 the last two years -- compared to .392 and .360 for Lofton -- and he certainly doesn't make up for it with power. He can only get slower as he ages, so he could be quite a liability come 2010 and 2011. Until then, he'll be little more than an average regular.

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-20-2006, 09:44 PM

5 years, $45 million!?

Dada · 11-21-2006, 01:49 AM

Hmmmm...interesting signing. I'll give Colletti the benefit of the doubt, since I did the same with the Furcal trade.

But yes, it does seem like too much money and too much time.

And the 330 OBP make me throw up... Is Furcal batting 2nd now?

Rise to the Top · 11-21-2006, 12:11 PM

What is Colletti thinking? I'm not following the logic to signing Pierre at $9 mil for 5 YEARS! I could maybe see 2, possibly 3 - but definitely not 5.

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-21-2006, 12:29 PM

I really like what he's done building an All Star calibur infield and speed at the top of the lineup... but Pierre is not worth $9 million a year. Hell, a guy like Eric Chavez is not worth $9 million a year!

Thankfully, I'm a Giants fan. So Colletti can do whatever he wants with his damn money!

Dada · 11-21-2006, 01:45 PM

Well, let's not think it's 1990. There is inflation, so contracts from now on are going to be higher. I think people in general are having a hard time adjusting to it.

Look, the Red Sox are charging over $100 for a box seat. Dodger stadium seats got more expensive too. It's bound to happen.

That being said, it doesn't mean that Pierre is worth 9 million a year for 5. But we need to see the market...

MuffinMcFluffin · 11-21-2006, 01:58 PM

There is only inflation because they are setting higher marks for players, whether they have the cash or not. Because George Steinbrenner signs a player for a large amount of cash, the instant that player is traded, he expects to be worth that same value anywhere (assuming he's still playing at the same performance). A tone is set, and a tone is matched thereafter, whether inflation has entered the market or not.

Yes, because of the new seats (and since they're closer, mind you), the Dodgers' organization will get more money. But let's compare Pierre's statistical performance to his salary... no matter what inflation is like these days, it just doesn't match. I mean, it was bad enough when Sosa was being paid $17 mil a year. 60+ home runs should not guarantee you that, especially when the only other noticeably high offensive stats were your strikeout and grounded-into-double-play (GIDP) stats.

But like I said... I'm actually all for Colletti doing this. In my mind, when the Dodgers can't get somebody else because they choose to (in my mind, at least) overpay another guy, it's just that much better for the Giants.

Dada · 11-22-2006, 09:21 PM

Well, he're the market:

Gary Matthews, Jr.: 5 years, 50 million.

Pierre's deal looking a little better now...

MrBlue · 11-22-2006, 09:39 PM

Pierre doesn't seem like a good signing for sure, but everything is relative to market. What you have to hope for: He performs at or above career obp of .350; he continues to see a lot of pitches and not strike out much; he runs a bit more judiciously with higher success rate; he shows general improvement as he hits his prime years. None of that seems unreasonable to me. A lot of folks are killing this signing based on 2006 stats. Gotta believe that Colletti and his staff are projecting better #s for Pierre. Hope they are right.

11-20-2006, 09:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	5 years, $45 million!? __________________

11-21-2006, 12:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	I really like what he's done building an All Star calibur infield and speed at the top of the lineup... but Pierre is not worth $9 million a year. Hell, a guy like Eric Chavez is not worth $9 million a year! Thankfully, I'm a Giants fan. So Colletti can do whatever he wants with his damn money! __________________

11-21-2006, 01:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
MuffinMcFluffin Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 584	There is only inflation because they are setting higher marks for players, whether they have the cash or not. Because George Steinbrenner signs a player for a large amount of cash, the instant that player is traded, he expects to be worth that same value anywhere (assuming he's still playing at the same performance). A tone is set, and a tone is matched thereafter, whether inflation has entered the market or not. Yes, because of the new seats (and since they're closer, mind you), the Dodgers' organization will get more money. But let's compare Pierre's statistical performance to his salary... no matter what inflation is like these days, it just doesn't match. I mean, it was bad enough when Sosa was being paid $17 mil a year. 60+ home runs should not guarantee you that, especially when the only other noticeably high offensive stats were your strikeout and grounded-into-double-play (GIDP) stats. But like I said... I'm actually all for Colletti doing this. In my mind, when the Dodgers can't get somebody else because they choose to (in my mind, at least) overpay another guy, it's just that much better for the Giants. __________________

11-22-2006, 09:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
MrBlue New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2	Pierre doesn't seem like a good signing for sure, but everything is relative to market. What you have to hope for: He performs at or above career obp of .350; he continues to see a lot of pitches and not strike out much; he runs a bit more judiciously with higher success rate; he shows general improvement as he hits his prime years. None of that seems unreasonable to me. A lot of folks are killing this signing based on 2006 stats. Gotta believe that Colletti and his staff are projecting better #s for Pierre. Hope they are right. __________________ Mr Blue LA Dodgers - 2008 World Champions

11-21-2006, 01:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dada Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 125	Hmmmm...interesting signing. I'll give Colletti the benefit of the doubt, since I did the same with the Furcal trade. But yes, it does seem like too much money and too much time. And the 330 OBP make me throw up... Is Furcal batting 2nd now?

11-21-2006, 12:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rise to the Top New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1	What is Colletti thinking? I'm not following the logic to signing Pierre at $9 mil for 5 YEARS! I could maybe see 2, possibly 3 - but definitely not 5.

11-21-2006, 01:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dada Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 125	Well, let's not think it's 1990. There is inflation, so contracts from now on are going to be higher. I think people in general are having a hard time adjusting to it. Look, the Red Sox are charging over $100 for a box seat. Dodger stadium seats got more expensive too. It's bound to happen. That being said, it doesn't mean that Pierre is worth 9 million a year for 5. But we need to see the market...

11-22-2006, 09:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dada Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 125	Well, he're the market: Gary Matthews, Jr.: 5 years, 50 million. Pierre's deal looking a little better now...