Favorite movie villain - Page 2

Top Cat · February 6th, 2007, 10:56 PM

These are in addition to several already noted...

Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey in Under Siege.

Steven Berkoff as Victor Maitland and Jonathon Banks as his right hand man "Zack" in Beverly Hills Cop

Tony Perkins in Les Miserables

Gary Busey in Lethal Weapon.

Jack Nicholson in a "Few Good Men"

Bob Gunton as Warden Samuel Norton in Shawshank Redemption

James Remar as Albert Ganz in 48 Hours

Louise Fletcher as Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Arnie as the Terminator

Bette Davis as Baby Jane Hudson in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane"

Kevin Spacey as Verbal Kint is Usual Suspects

TheDreadedFoosa · February 7th, 2007, 01:18 AM

Kiefer Sutherland in one of his earlier roles in "Freeway"

Ed Norton- The Italian Job

Mark Wahlberg- Fear

Denzel Washington- Training Day

Jack Nicholson- The Shining

TheFlyingBomb · February 7th, 2007, 07:16 AM

Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet in Spaceballs.

TheDreadedFoosa · February 7th, 2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBomb

Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet in Spaceballs.

I can't breathe in this thing!

John F · February 7th, 2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDreadedFoosa

Kiefer Sutherland in one of his earlier roles in "Freeway"

Ed Norton- The Italian Job

Mark Wahlberg- Fear

Denzel Washington- Training Day

Jack Nicholson- The Shining

"In one of his early roles?" Keifer Sutherland has been doing movies and playing bad guys since he was a kid. Freeway (opposite Reece Witherspoon) was during his lean years in the 1990's.

And guys, lets not just name every bad guy out there. I mean REALLY discuss why these villians are great. Tommy Lee Jones character is a caricature, I wouldn't have listed him. Bad movie, weak role. Ed Norton's character in the Italian Job isn't as good as the guy he played in "Primal Fear" that earned him an Oscar nom...

Rick Moranis' character is the antagonist but hardly villainous. Again, a caricature...

Seriously, lets DISCUSS these villians -- not just name every bad guy on the planet.

TheFlyingBomb · February 7th, 2007, 02:03 PM

From Dictionary.com:

Antagonist - the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work.

Villain - a dramatic or fictional character who is typically at odds with the hero.

Sorry. Thank you for making me hate message boards even more.

John F · February 7th, 2007, 02:42 PM

Why? Because you see no conflict or difference between the two?

If you are going to use the post by me as a reason to hate message boards even more -- that's an incredibly weak reasoning.

nanwynnfan · February 7th, 2007, 02:58 PM

Just watched "Sleeping with the Enemy" [1991] last night, in which Julia Roberts fakes her own death to escape her obsessive-compulsive, abusive and insane husband.

Patrick Bergin was very effective in that role.

TheFlyingBomb · February 7th, 2007, 03:28 PM

Well, I'm interested in why you think there is a distinction between an antagonist and a villain.
But so anyway, then, I'll explain why I think that Dark Helmet was a good villain.
By another definition of the word villain ("a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime" is another one that should work fine), Dark Helmet fits perfectly.
Dark Helmet is cruelly malicious (he willingly does the bidding of Planet Spaceball's President Scroob by putting together an kidnapping-extortion plot that will result in the Planet Druidia being without air and thus killing its inhabitants), and he is devoted to wickedness and crime (Helmet is near the top of the movie's Imperious Forces, a fairly "wicked" organization by any standard).
His actions throughout the movie pretty much define a villain.
Just because the movie is a comedy (even a totally ridiculous one like Spaceballs) doesn't mean you can't have strong villains. In fact, I think comedic villains can make stronger villains, because they're likeable in a way that flat-out evil villains aren't. I don't know, I don't want to get too hoity-toity about Spaceballs or anything.
Anyway, some other examples come to mind (Vizzinni the Sicilian in the Princess Bride, Robert Goulet as Quentin Hapsburg in the Naked Gun 2 1/2) that kind of prove this. To me anyway.
I said this kind of thing makes me hate message boards because I always think "hey that's interesting, I'll throw my two cents in," and usually without fail someone swoops down to tell me I'm wrong. I know we're talking about opinion here, but whatever.

John F · February 7th, 2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBomb

Well, I'm interested in why you think there is a distinction between an antagonist and a villain.
But so anyway, then, I'll explain why I think that Dark Helmet was a good villain.

Dracko Mallfoy is an antagonist in Harry Potter, as is Severus Snape.

Yet are these guys villains in the movies? Are they arch villains that trump all other bad guys in a movie? Absolutely not.

If this is the case, how many "VILLAINS" would be listed by the logic of just saying an antagonist is a villain?

Suffice it to say, this thread has turned into a dump for movie villains, it isn't a discussion of favorite movie villains, it's simply "Mention any guy think is bad in the movies!" If you want to harp on THAT for a reason why you hate message boards -- you'd have my applause. But no, you hate message boards because someone called into question the difference between an Antagonist and a Villain...

G-Man · February 7th, 2007, 04:48 PM

25 posts in and no mention of Tim Roth in Rob Roy? Tsk tsk.

TheDreadedFoosa · February 8th, 2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

"In one of his early roles?" Keifer Sutherland has been doing movies and playing bad guys since he was a kid. Freeway (opposite Reece Witherspoon) was during his lean years in the 1990's.

That made absolutely no sense. So since he's been playing bad guys since he was a kid, a movie he did in '93 wouldn't count as an earlier role?

And guys, lets not just name every bad guy out there. I mean REALLY discuss why these villians are great. Tommy Lee Jones character is a caricature, I wouldn't have listed him. Bad movie, weak role.

And the fact you wouldn't have listed him is your prerogative. Even in bad movies people can play good villains (Jim Carrey as the Riddler, as an example)

Ed Norton's character in the Italian Job isn't as good as the guy he played in "Primal Fear" that earned him an Oscar nom...

Seeming a bit like you're trying to impose your will here. If you think he wasn't as good in one movie as another then you're entitled to that opinion but you're making it seem like someone else is totally wrong for expressing their opinion

Seriously, lets DISCUSS these villians -- not just name every bad guy on the planet.[/quote]

I have no problem with this at all, just hate when a thread that was started to generate some friendly banter is reduced to entirely too much psychoanalysis

DiamondDave · February 8th, 2007, 06:18 AM

You actually thought Jim Carey as the Riddler was a good performance in a good role??

It was absolutely HORRID. One of the main reasons the movie stunk to high heaven.

As a matter of fact, after Jack played the Joker, every villain in the Batman series has pretty much STUNK. Jack blended the cartoonish stuff with the dark side in a masterful performance. With Carey, if I never again see him throwing little bombs in the batcave to little fart sounds and gestures, I will die a happy man.

TheDreadedFoosa · February 8th, 2007, 06:32 AM

The movie itself was putrid, maybe I'm just biased towards Carrey, I've liked in him in most everything I've seen him in, except of course Ace Ventura 2. I thought his Riddler was an entertaining, but certainly not academy award winning performance

TheFlyingBomb · February 8th, 2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

Dracko Mallfoy is an antagonist in Harry Potter, as is Severus Snape.

Yet are these guys villains in the movies? Are they arch villains that trump all other bad guys in a movie? Absolutely not.

If this is the case, how many "VILLAINS" would be listed by the logic of just saying an antagonist is a villain?

Well, I honestly can say that I am not familiar enough with the Harry Potter movies/books to know the characters you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by John F

Suffice it to say, this thread has turned into a dump for movie villains, it isn't a discussion of favorite movie villains, it's simply "Mention any guy think is bad in the movies!" If you want to harp on THAT for a reason why you hate message boards -- you'd have my applause. But no, you hate message boards because someone called into question the difference between an Antagonist and a Villain...

So, my statement about hating message boards was really kind of silly, I probably wouldn't have posted or even read the thread in the first place if I "hated" being here. I just get frustrated when, in a thread that looks like it would be fun and as un-contentious as possible, someone still wants to tell you that you're wrong, wrong, wrong. Of course people are going to have differences, and that's great and all, but I don't know, it's a thread about movies. Come on.

February 7th, 2007, 07:16 AM	#18 (permalink)
TheFlyingBomb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 779	Rick Moranis as Dark Helmet in Spaceballs. __________________ Oh, whatever.

February 7th, 2007, 02:03 PM	#21 (permalink)
TheFlyingBomb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 779	From Dictionary.com: Antagonist - the adversary of the hero or protagonist of a drama or other literary work. Villain - a dramatic or fictional character who is typically at odds with the hero. Sorry. Thank you for making me hate message boards even more. __________________ Oh, whatever.

February 7th, 2007, 02:58 PM	#23 (permalink)
nanwynnfan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,579	Just watched "Sleeping with the Enemy" [1991] last night, in which Julia Roberts fakes her own death to escape her obsessive-compulsive, abusive and insane husband. Patrick Bergin was very effective in that role. Last edited by nanwynnfan; February 7th, 2007 at 02:58 PM. Reason: spelling error typo

February 7th, 2007, 03:28 PM	#24 (permalink)
TheFlyingBomb Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 779	Well, I'm interested in why you think there is a distinction between an antagonist and a villain. But so anyway, then, I'll explain why I think that Dark Helmet was a good villain. By another definition of the word villain ("a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime" is another one that should work fine), Dark Helmet fits perfectly. Dark Helmet is cruelly malicious (he willingly does the bidding of Planet Spaceball's President Scroob by putting together an kidnapping-extortion plot that will result in the Planet Druidia being without air and thus killing its inhabitants), and he is devoted to wickedness and crime (Helmet is near the top of the movie's Imperious Forces, a fairly "wicked" organization by any standard). His actions throughout the movie pretty much define a villain. Just because the movie is a comedy (even a totally ridiculous one like Spaceballs) doesn't mean you can't have strong villains. In fact, I think comedic villains can make stronger villains, because they're likeable in a way that flat-out evil villains aren't. I don't know, I don't want to get too hoity-toity about Spaceballs or anything. Anyway, some other examples come to mind (Vizzinni the Sicilian in the Princess Bride, Robert Goulet as Quentin Hapsburg in the Naked Gun 2 1/2) that kind of prove this. To me anyway. I said this kind of thing makes me hate message boards because I always think "hey that's interesting, I'll throw my two cents in," and usually without fail someone swoops down to tell me I'm wrong. I know we're talking about opinion here, but whatever. __________________ Oh, whatever.

February 8th, 2007, 06:18 AM	#28 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	You actually thought Jim Carey as the Riddler was a good performance in a good role?? It was absolutely HORRID. One of the main reasons the movie stunk to high heaven. As a matter of fact, after Jack played the Joker, every villain in the Batman series has pretty much STUNK. Jack blended the cartoonish stuff with the dark side in a masterful performance. With Carey, if I never again see him throwing little bombs in the batcave to little fart sounds and gestures, I will die a happy man. __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

February 6th, 2007, 10:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
Top Cat Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bellingham Posts: 2,309	These are in addition to several already noted... Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey in Under Siege. Steven Berkoff as Victor Maitland and Jonathon Banks as his right hand man "Zack" in Beverly Hills Cop Tony Perkins in Les Miserables Gary Busey in Lethal Weapon. Jack Nicholson in a "Few Good Men" Bob Gunton as Warden Samuel Norton in Shawshank Redemption James Remar as Albert Ganz in 48 Hours Louise Fletcher as Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Arnie as the Terminator Bette Davis as Baby Jane Hudson in "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" Kevin Spacey as Verbal Kint is Usual Suspects

February 7th, 2007, 01:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
TheDreadedFoosa Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 155	Kiefer Sutherland in one of his earlier roles in "Freeway" Ed Norton- The Italian Job Mark Wahlberg- Fear Denzel Washington- Training Day Jack Nicholson- The Shining

February 7th, 2007, 02:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	Why? Because you see no conflict or difference between the two? If you are going to use the post by me as a reason to hate message boards even more -- that's an incredibly weak reasoning.

February 7th, 2007, 04:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
G-Man Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Darkness on the edge of town Posts: 2,495	25 posts in and no mention of Tim Roth in Rob Roy? Tsk tsk.

February 8th, 2007, 06:32 AM	#29 (permalink)
TheDreadedFoosa Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 155	The movie itself was putrid, maybe I'm just biased towards Carrey, I've liked in him in most everything I've seen him in, except of course Ace Ventura 2. I thought his Riddler was an entertaining, but certainly not academy award winning performance