Live Free or Die Hard (Die Hard 4)

John F · December 16th, 2006, 04:24 PM

The Teaser Trailer is now online -- lemme see if you can embed videos on here:
Edit: Guess not

Clicky here for the video

. I can't make sense of anything in this besides the title... Though I already know the plot from online reports.

bigheadache · December 16th, 2006, 04:28 PM

The 1st and 3rd ones were pretty good. I guess we'll see about this one.

John F · December 16th, 2006, 04:34 PM

Yeah, the first was excellent (though now dated) and the 3rd is still great... the 2nd one def. was the black sheep of the three so far...

1 and 3 were directed by John McTerian (the Hunt for Red October among others) while this one will be directed by the guy who did the Underworld movies.

TylerDurden · December 16th, 2006, 06:51 PM

The first and third are some of my all time favorites. I could probably quote the first movie entirely from memory.

But this is a ****ing Vin Diesel movie.

John F · December 17th, 2006, 07:07 PM

The teaser does indeed look more like the new-tier of action movies -- tons of senseless stuff going on. More like a Michael Bay movie than anything IMHO.

TylerDurden · December 17th, 2006, 07:50 PM

One of the things that made the first one so great was that it was believable. John McClane wasn't Rambo, wasn't 'Commando', wasn't even Jack Bauer. He was a cop with two kids, an estranged wife, and visibly weathered from years of family life, New York crime, and police paperwork. He cringed, complained, grunted, swore, chain smoked and made endless wise cracks to keep his sanity and to keep pushing himself.

Thats the stuff that made Die Hard 'Die Hard.'

I don't see any of that in the teaser trailer. There isn't even a wisecrack. Hell I bet they even just let the 'I'm a Mac' guy do most of the talking. It'll probably even be Long who says 'Yippy Kay Yay Mother****er! except it'll be in an instant message to the terrorist leader and will be in computer shorthand YKYMF!!

Now I feel better.

John F · December 17th, 2006, 09:14 PM

LOL

There was a story about 9-11 and Bruce Willis in New York City the day it happened (reportedly). Someone spotted him and another guy on the street and said "Where the hell is John McClane when we need him?!"

I read some "passing of the torch" to keep the franchise alive might happen in this... which will suck because a gritty cop "about to have a very bad day" sums up what Die Hard is.

noetsi · January 1st, 2007, 11:38 AM

I think the original Die Hard movie much like the first Star Wars (New Hope now episode IV but still the first movie) benefited from being different from a lot of the movies of its time and thus fresh and surprising. I liked it the first time I saw it a lot, much less in later viewings because the surprise was gone. Neither of its successor movies were very good (the 2nd one was simply awful in part because it took a script for another movie and inserted Willis's character into it no doubt).

They are making a fourth installment of the Indiana Jones series as well, with a 64 year old Ford no less.

John F · January 1st, 2007, 11:56 AM

Well, actually Russ, Die Hard 2 was an adaptation of "58 Minutes" -- a book.

"Die Hard" itself was supposed to be "Commando 2" with Arnold Schwartzenegger. Meanwhile, Die Hard 3 -- jumping a few movies -- was supposed to be either "Lethal Weapon 4" or a sequel to one of Brandon Lee's films (I forgot the name of the movie he starred in for Fox prior to his death on the set of "The Crow").

Die Hard was original, it also started the new genre "Die Hard on a..." action phase of Hollywood. Some examples I can think of are "Die Hard on a Bus" (Speed), "Die Hard on a Boat" (Under Seige), "Die Hard on a plane" (Passenger 57) along with "Die Hard on Air Force One" (Air Force One).

Speed's director was part of the original "Die Hard" crew. In fact, "Pacific Courier" is featured in both films. As the van that Hans Gruber and his band of terrorists use at the start of Die Hard, and as the plane that blows up on the tarmac when the bus crashes into it in Speed...

And to close off this post -- Lucas, Speilburg and Ford have been musing about Indy 4 for a decade. Harrison has lost his star appeal, however, and donning the fedora again may or may not work out -- that'll be up to Speilburg, Lucas and the script.

noetsi · January 1st, 2007, 04:27 PM

I understand it was a book, but I think there was already a script for it and when Die Hard was a success they modified that script to insert Willis's character rather than starting from scratch.

I doubt Indiana Jones can work with an actor in his sixties as the lead role.

John F · January 13th, 2007, 01:41 PM

It can work if they change it into more of a head piece than an action/adventure movie... Though the Action/Adventure has to be there to make the formula work.

Back to DH4 -- Kevin Smith is supposed to play a computer nerd in the movie.

Also -- the reason DH4 is ramped up, supposedly, is to make it comparable or to have it outdo 24 -- which is ridiculous becuase Die Hard is Die Hard while 24 is 24...

Nocahoma · January 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM

Head piece? As in the Staff of Ra, no doubt.

John F · January 13th, 2007, 09:30 PM

Well I meant a more thinking movie. A character driven movie...

But I digress. Lucas will screw it up somehow.

Nocahoma · January 14th, 2007, 02:06 AM

I knew what you meant, ya big lug. Geez, it's gettin' harder for a guy to be a smart-you-know-what around here....

John F · January 14th, 2007, 09:48 AM

Doh. My bad.

The big lug has spoken...

December 17th, 2006, 07:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,323	One of the things that made the first one so great was that it was believable. John McClane wasn't Rambo, wasn't 'Commando', wasn't even Jack Bauer. He was a cop with two kids, an estranged wife, and visibly weathered from years of family life, New York crime, and police paperwork. He cringed, complained, grunted, swore, chain smoked and made endless wise cracks to keep his sanity and to keep pushing himself. Thats the stuff that made Die Hard 'Die Hard.' I don't see any of that in the teaser trailer. There isn't even a wisecrack. Hell I bet they even just let the 'I'm a Mac' guy do most of the talking. It'll probably even be Long who says 'Yippy Kay Yay Mother**er! except it'll be in an instant message to the terrorist leader and will be in computer shorthand YKYMF!!** Now I feel better. Last edited by TylerDurden; December 17th, 2006 at 07:53 PM.

December 16th, 2006, 04:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
bigheadache Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roswell, NM Posts: 944	The 1st and 3rd ones were pretty good. I guess we'll see about this one.

December 16th, 2006, 04:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	Yeah, the first was excellent (though now dated) and the 3rd is still great... the 2nd one def. was the black sheep of the three so far... 1 and 3 were directed by John McTerian (the Hunt for Red October among others) while this one will be directed by the guy who did the Underworld movies.

December 16th, 2006, 06:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,323	The first and third are some of my all time favorites. I could probably quote the first movie entirely from memory. But this is a ****ing Vin Diesel movie.

December 17th, 2006, 07:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	The teaser does indeed look more like the new-tier of action movies -- tons of senseless stuff going on. More like a Michael Bay movie than anything IMHO.

December 17th, 2006, 09:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	LOL There was a story about 9-11 and Bruce Willis in New York City the day it happened (reportedly). Someone spotted him and another guy on the street and said "Where the hell is John McClane when we need him?!" I read some "passing of the torch" to keep the franchise alive might happen in this... which will suck because a gritty cop "about to have a very bad day" sums up what Die Hard is.

January 1st, 2007, 11:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 17,320	I think the original Die Hard movie much like the first Star Wars (New Hope now episode IV but still the first movie) benefited from being different from a lot of the movies of its time and thus fresh and surprising. I liked it the first time I saw it a lot, much less in later viewings because the surprise was gone. Neither of its successor movies were very good (the 2nd one was simply awful in part because it took a script for another movie and inserted Willis's character into it no doubt). They are making a fourth installment of the Indiana Jones series as well, with a 64 year old Ford no less.

January 1st, 2007, 11:56 AM	#9 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	Well, actually Russ, Die Hard 2 was an adaptation of "58 Minutes" -- a book. "Die Hard" itself was supposed to be "Commando 2" with Arnold Schwartzenegger. Meanwhile, Die Hard 3 -- jumping a few movies -- was supposed to be either "Lethal Weapon 4" or a sequel to one of Brandon Lee's films (I forgot the name of the movie he starred in for Fox prior to his death on the set of "The Crow"). Die Hard was original, it also started the new genre "Die Hard on a..." action phase of Hollywood. Some examples I can think of are "Die Hard on a Bus" (Speed), "Die Hard on a Boat" (Under Seige), "Die Hard on a plane" (Passenger 57) along with "Die Hard on Air Force One" (Air Force One). Speed's director was part of the original "Die Hard" crew. In fact, "Pacific Courier" is featured in both films. As the van that Hans Gruber and his band of terrorists use at the start of Die Hard, and as the plane that blows up on the tarmac when the bus crashes into it in Speed... And to close off this post -- Lucas, Speilburg and Ford have been musing about Indy 4 for a decade. Harrison has lost his star appeal, however, and donning the fedora again may or may not work out -- that'll be up to Speilburg, Lucas and the script.

January 1st, 2007, 04:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 17,320	I understand it was a book, but I think there was already a script for it and when Die Hard was a success they modified that script to insert Willis's character rather than starting from scratch. I doubt Indiana Jones can work with an actor in his sixties as the lead role.

January 13th, 2007, 01:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	It can work if they change it into more of a head piece than an action/adventure movie... Though the Action/Adventure has to be there to make the formula work. Back to DH4 -- Kevin Smith is supposed to play a computer nerd in the movie. Also -- the reason DH4 is ramped up, supposedly, is to make it comparable or to have it outdo 24 -- which is ridiculous becuase Die Hard is Die Hard while 24 is 24...

January 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	Head piece? As in the Staff of Ra, no doubt.

January 13th, 2007, 09:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	Well I meant a more thinking movie. A character driven movie... But I digress. Lucas will screw it up somehow.

January 14th, 2007, 02:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	I knew what you meant, ya big lug. Geez, it's gettin' harder for a guy to be a smart-you-know-what around here....

January 14th, 2007, 09:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	Doh. My bad. The big lug has spoken...