Live Free or Die Hard (Die Hard 4) - Page 2

John F · May 14th, 2008, 05:40 PM

OK, I saw DH 4 once it came out on DVD...

And regretted every minute of it. What a steaming pile that thing was. John McClane was an Arnold Schwartzenegger characder this time around, bieng thrown off blunt objects and getting right up and running to where he needed to be. There was no mortality to the guy like there was in Die Hard and With a Vengence.

TylerDurden · May 14th, 2008, 10:51 PM

I actually had to eat a hell of a lot of crow regarding this flick. Not a classic like the original, but I had a lot of fun seeing it.

I'd say its a toss-up between this one and Vengeance for second best in the franchise. Vengeance completely forgot how to be believable after the 'four gallons' riddle and had a hastily thrown together third act and conclusion. This one had weaker character drama, but the director kept the movie together and delivered some great action sequences (provided you ignore the F-35 scene.)

And personally, I did like it as kind of a 'f*** you' to 24. Some people (myself included) complained that the previews made it look like it was trying to be like 24. But upon seeing it, it seemed clear to me that the parralels were meant to be satirical, like how the first one made fun of the LAPD and FBI.

But of the two, Vengeance is the only one I'll ever sit through again.

DiamondDave · May 15th, 2008, 08:37 AM

I actually love the McLane character... so even with the jet scene and all... I enjoyed the movie... not like the original and not like I will own it, but it was worth the $1.99 PPV when it came on to DirecTV

John F · May 15th, 2008, 08:55 AM

Dave, I love McClane too and that was why I hated this movie so much: It wasn't John McClane I was seeing on screen. It was a caricature. Where the brazen smartass would be bringing up how the heck he finds himself in situations like this, instead we have him delievering a minimalist dialog and playing the Energizer bunny.

That's not even getting on the villain (can't get intimidated by the "Begin the download" threat). Or the fact the "Die hard on a" motif of these films was shot to hell

May 14th, 2008, 05:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	OK, I saw DH 4 once it came out on DVD... And regretted every minute of it. What a steaming pile that thing was. John McClane was an Arnold Schwartzenegger characder this time around, bieng thrown off blunt objects and getting right up and running to where he needed to be. There was no mortality to the guy like there was in Die Hard and With a Vengence. __________________ The more they over think the plumbing, the easier to stop up the drain.

May 15th, 2008, 08:37 AM	#18 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	I actually love the McLane character... so even with the jet scene and all... I enjoyed the movie... not like the original and not like I will own it, but it was worth the $1.99 PPV when it came on to DirecTV __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

May 15th, 2008, 08:55 AM	#19 (permalink)
John F Administrator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tampa Bay area, Florida Posts: 2,510	Dave, I love McClane too and that was why I hated this movie so much: It wasn't John McClane I was seeing on screen. It was a caricature. Where the brazen smartass would be bringing up how the heck he finds himself in situations like this, instead we have him delievering a minimalist dialog and playing the Energizer bunny. That's not even getting on the villain (can't get intimidated by the "Begin the download" threat). Or the fact the "Die hard on a" motif of these films was shot to hell __________________ The more they over think the plumbing, the easier to stop up the drain.

May 14th, 2008, 10:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,323	I actually had to eat a hell of a lot of crow regarding this flick. Not a classic like the original, but I had a lot of fun seeing it. I'd say its a toss-up between this one and Vengeance for second best in the franchise. Vengeance completely forgot how to be believable after the 'four gallons' riddle and had a hastily thrown together third act and conclusion. This one had weaker character drama, but the director kept the movie together and delivered some great action sequences (provided you ignore the F-35 scene.) And personally, I did like it as kind of a 'f*** you' to 24. Some people (myself included) complained that the previews made it look like it was trying to be like 24. But upon seeing it, it seemed clear to me that the parralels were meant to be satirical, like how the first one made fun of the LAPD and FBI. But of the two, Vengeance is the only one I'll ever sit through again.