Why So Serious? (Dark Knight Trailer Released) - Page 2

noetsi · 05-21-2008, 04:19 PM

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I've learned that they suffer at the box office if they adhere too much to the comic book source.

I disagree with this. I think the movies that have been most successful, like Batman Begins, Ironman, the first X-man movie, have been the ones that were closer to the comics and the failures were those that failed to take it seriously (like the earlier 90's era batman series or some of the Marvel movies).

A major problem is when the actors consider comics to be silly and you get the sense they are thinking "What am I doing in a movie about comic book heroes" I think that is what killed the daredevil movie and the last hulk film. Its what made Storm in the X-men movies (one of the most fasinating in the comic) so lame.

domat · 06-07-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by noetsi

I disagree with this. I think the movies that have been most successful, like Batman Begins, Ironman, the first X-man movie, have been the ones that were closer to the comics and the failures were those that failed to take it seriously (like the earlier 90's era batman series or some of the Marvel movies).

A major problem is when the actors consider comics to be silly and you get the sense they are thinking "What am I doing in a movie about comic book heroes" I think that is what killed the daredevil movie and the last hulk film. Its what made Storm in the X-men movies (one of the most fasinating in the comic) so lame.

The original Batman was more successful then Begins. also a lot less boring. I hate bale in that role.

noetsi · 06-07-2008, 02:47 PM

We will have to disagree. I thought the nineties series far too campish and Batman Begins the best DC film ever done by a wide margin.

TylerDurden · 07-15-2008, 10:09 AM

Got my tickets yesterday, seeing it Thursday at Midnight.

noetsi · 07-15-2008, 07:53 PM

I wonder how they will do the joker, a clown or a psychopath of the nth order.

It will be hard to have a more effective villain tha Raus...

TylerDurden · 07-18-2008, 01:42 AM

This. Movie. Rocks. The. ****!!!!!!

"First a magic trick. Watch as I make this pencil disappear..."

TylerDurden · 07-18-2008, 11:03 AM

A truly phenomenal movie, and without a doubt one that deserves to be in the elite company of Empire Strikes Back and Godfather II as a sequel that surpasses its original.

'Batman Begins' got the origin story totally out of the way. There are no scenes of Bruce Wayne crying over mom and dad or flashbacks to his time before becoming Batman. In many ways this is a classic 'Batman vs. Villain' tale, but written and filmed as a serious crime drama like 'Heat,' 'Zodiac' or 'Bullitt.' A fast pace and with some of the most epic, gorgeously filmed action sequences I've ever seen.

Heath Ledger owns this movie. An insane performance that demands Oscar recognition. At once totally original but totally loyal to the source material portrayal of the Joker. One of the most enjoyable aspects of the movie is how they kept the Joker's unique brand of violence rooted in that realistic setting but without losing any of its twisted black humor.

There are flaws in this movie, maybe 10 minutes too long and the ending was a little bit of a letdown for me, but thats just being nitpicky. Go see this.

noetsi · 07-19-2008, 11:22 AM

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Stoked by fan fever over the manic performance of the late Heath Ledger as the Joker, "The Dark Knight" set a one-day box office record with $66.4 million on opening day, Warner Bros. head of distribution Dan Fellman said Saturday.

Critics liked it as well

`Dark Knight' sets box office record with $66.4M - Yahoo! News

Nat · 07-20-2008, 03:08 AM

I saw it tonight, it's probably the best superhero movie since the original Superman.
The Joker is so twisted he's almost sympathetic...and his humor is certainly of the macabre (rather than comic) variety. There were many great moments in the picture (the pencil thing one of them).
I do have a couple questions about it, but don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it...

noetsi · 07-20-2008, 10:49 PM

There has never been a good superman movie, ever

Perhaps its my Marvel bias, but I think Iron Man is the best superhero movie ever, and I have seen nearly all of them. Even the previous putrid batman ones.

Taste differ.

TylerDurden · 07-21-2008, 12:28 AM

There's no reason at all to contrast Dark Knight to Iron Man. Its the difference between Blade Runner and Star Wars. Technically in the same broad genre, but so far apart otherwise its besides the point.

Nat · 07-21-2008, 05:57 AM

Yea, that's true. Same way you can't compare the squeaky-clean Marvel comics to the Batman noir comics of the 1990s.
I enjoyed Iron Man, and am definitely more partial to Marvel than DC, but this one was much more in-depth than any comic-book movie I have seen.

noetsi · 07-21-2008, 07:50 PM

One thing Marvel has not been in a long time is squeaky clean. Stark is an alcoholic, Logan a psychopath. You dont get much darker than the Claremont X-men. I thought the potrayal of Stark was as close to any comic character I have ever seen and a lot of fun. Taste differ.

They are going to have a Wolverine film in 09, if its close to the character like the Hulk and Iron Man movie that will be pretty ugly.

If its done by the X-Man franchise it will watered down. Warner got a break having this rated PG 13 - it obviously was not. It should have been R.

TylerDurden · 07-23-2008, 12:11 AM

The one good thing I heard about 'Wolverine' is that they're going to follow Logan through the decades. So you'll see him storming the beach at Normandy and later fighting in Vietnam. I just have this gnarly image in my head of Logan charging a machine gun nest and absorbing every round until he SNIKTs the barrel right off the gun...and then does not very nice things to the poor souls manning it. A little bit different than Superman.

By the way, I'll buck the trend. I'm definitely a DC guy.

noetsi · 08-03-2008, 05:10 PM

Wolverine did not have his claws at Normandy....not until the Weapon X program somewhere in the seventies.

I saw the Batman movie finally (its interesting that Katie Holmes did not play Rachel although the character returned). Joker was potrayed as well as any major character ever has been - he got the insanity rather than crime focus of the character pretty much perfect. This was one of the few superhero films ever where the vilain ended up being more important than the heroe - at times batman seemed almost besides the point.

Not nearly a good a performance by Bale as in the first movie although he had some good lines. Michael Caine's were better, I actually enjoyed him more than Bale in this. Although I am sure he won't be considered for it, he probably deserves a best supporting character nomination. An interesting change in why Wayne moved to the penthouse from the batcave than the comic version.

I did not enjoy this film nearly as much as the first one, far to dark. But it was a better movie. If they are going, or did, get Watchman right, that will make even this one look light in comparison.

06-07-2008, 02:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,415	We will have to disagree. I thought the nineties series far too campish and Batman Begins the best DC film ever done by a wide margin. __________________ "If Obama and his strategists can't reclaim the economic issue after eight years of Republicans presiding over the first recorded recovery in American history that failed to boost family incomes, and now over a slowdown that has its roots in the GOP's mania for deregulation, they ought to find another line of work. They need to ask John McCain at every turn: What Bush economic policies do you repudiate? Where have you broken with Bush on the economy?" Harold Myerson

07-15-2008, 07:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,415	I wonder how they will do the joker, a clown or a psychopath of the nth order. It will be hard to have a more effective villain tha Raus... __________________ "If Obama and his strategists can't reclaim the economic issue after eight years of Republicans presiding over the first recorded recovery in American history that failed to boost family incomes, and now over a slowdown that has its roots in the GOP's mania for deregulation, they ought to find another line of work. They need to ask John McCain at every turn: What Bush economic policies do you repudiate? Where have you broken with Bush on the economy?" Harold Myerson

07-18-2008, 01:42 AM	#21 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,949	This. Movie. Rocks. The. ***!!!!!! "First a magic trick. Watch as I make this pencil disappear..." Last edited by TylerDurden; 07-18-2008 at 01:45 AM.*

07-20-2008, 03:08 AM	#24 (permalink)
Nat Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,214	I saw it tonight, it's probably the best superhero movie since the original Superman. The Joker is so twisted he's almost sympathetic...and his humor is certainly of the macabre (rather than comic) variety. There were many great moments in the picture (the pencil thing one of them). I do have a couple questions about it, but don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it... __________________ Brush the dirt off ya shoulders... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJex9Ge2-Q

07-20-2008, 10:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,415	There has never been a good superman movie, ever Perhaps its my Marvel bias, but I think Iron Man is the best superhero movie ever, and I have seen nearly all of them. Even the previous putrid batman ones. Taste differ. __________________ "If Obama and his strategists can't reclaim the economic issue after eight years of Republicans presiding over the first recorded recovery in American history that failed to boost family incomes, and now over a slowdown that has its roots in the GOP's mania for deregulation, they ought to find another line of work. They need to ask John McCain at every turn: What Bush economic policies do you repudiate? Where have you broken with Bush on the economy?" Harold Myerson

07-15-2008, 10:09 AM	#19 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,949	Got my tickets yesterday, seeing it Thursday at Midnight.

07-18-2008, 11:03 AM	#22 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,949	A truly phenomenal movie, and without a doubt one that deserves to be in the elite company of Empire Strikes Back and Godfather II as a sequel that surpasses its original. 'Batman Begins' got the origin story totally out of the way. There are no scenes of Bruce Wayne crying over mom and dad or flashbacks to his time before becoming Batman. In many ways this is a classic 'Batman vs. Villain' tale, but written and filmed as a serious crime drama like 'Heat,' 'Zodiac' or 'Bullitt.' A fast pace and with some of the most epic, gorgeously filmed action sequences I've ever seen. Heath Ledger owns this movie. An insane performance that demands Oscar recognition. At once totally original but totally loyal to the source material portrayal of the Joker. One of the most enjoyable aspects of the movie is how they kept the Joker's unique brand of violence rooted in that realistic setting but without losing any of its twisted black humor. There are flaws in this movie, maybe 10 minutes too long and the ending was a little bit of a letdown for me, but thats just being nitpicky. Go see this.

07-21-2008, 12:28 AM	#26 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,949	There's no reason at all to contrast Dark Knight to Iron Man. Its the difference between Blade Runner and Star Wars. Technically in the same broad genre, but so far apart otherwise its besides the point. Last edited by TylerDurden; 07-21-2008 at 12:35 AM.

07-21-2008, 05:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
Nat Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,214	Yea, that's true. Same way you can't compare the squeaky-clean Marvel comics to the Batman noir comics of the 1990s. I enjoyed Iron Man, and am definitely more partial to Marvel than DC, but this one was much more in-depth than any comic-book movie I have seen. __________________ Brush the dirt off ya shoulders... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZJex9Ge2-Q

07-21-2008, 07:50 PM	#28 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,415	One thing Marvel has not been in a long time is squeaky clean. Stark is an alcoholic, Logan a psychopath. You dont get much darker than the Claremont X-men. I thought the potrayal of Stark was as close to any comic character I have ever seen and a lot of fun. Taste differ. They are going to have a Wolverine film in 09, if its close to the character like the Hulk and Iron Man movie that will be pretty ugly. If its done by the X-Man franchise it will watered down. Warner got a break having this rated PG 13 - it obviously was not. It should have been R. __________________ "If Obama and his strategists can't reclaim the economic issue after eight years of Republicans presiding over the first recorded recovery in American history that failed to boost family incomes, and now over a slowdown that has its roots in the GOP's mania for deregulation, they ought to find another line of work. They need to ask John McCain at every turn: What Bush economic policies do you repudiate? Where have you broken with Bush on the economy?" Harold Myerson

07-23-2008, 12:11 AM	#29 (permalink)
TylerDurden Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,949	The one good thing I heard about 'Wolverine' is that they're going to follow Logan through the decades. So you'll see him storming the beach at Normandy and later fighting in Vietnam. I just have this gnarly image in my head of Logan charging a machine gun nest and absorbing every round until he SNIKTs the barrel right off the gun...and then does not very nice things to the poor souls manning it. A little bit different than Superman. By the way, I'll buck the trend. I'm definitely a DC guy.

08-03-2008, 05:10 PM	#30 (permalink)
noetsi Legend Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,415	Wolverine did not have his claws at Normandy....not until the Weapon X program somewhere in the seventies. I saw the Batman movie finally (its interesting that Katie Holmes did not play Rachel although the character returned). Joker was potrayed as well as any major character ever has been - he got the insanity rather than crime focus of the character pretty much perfect. This was one of the few superhero films ever where the vilain ended up being more important than the heroe - at times batman seemed almost besides the point. Not nearly a good a performance by Bale as in the first movie although he had some good lines. Michael Caine's were better, I actually enjoyed him more than Bale in this. Although I am sure he won't be considered for it, he probably deserves a best supporting character nomination. An interesting change in why Wayne moved to the penthouse from the batcave than the comic version. I did not enjoy this film nearly as much as the first one, far to dark. But it was a better movie. If they are going, or did, get Watchman right, that will make even this one look light in comparison. __________________ "If Obama and his strategists can't reclaim the economic issue after eight years of Republicans presiding over the first recorded recovery in American history that failed to boost family incomes, and now over a slowdown that has its roots in the GOP's mania for deregulation, they ought to find another line of work. They need to ask John McCain at every turn: What Bush economic policies do you repudiate? Where have you broken with Bush on the economy?" Harold Myerson