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paparye05 · March 20th, 2007, 04:59 AM

i offered him jeff kent adam dunn and cole hamels for brian roberts and hideki matsui what you think about this deal?

Zen653 · March 20th, 2007, 08:31 AM

I think you're offering way too much. Dunn is probably more valuable than Matsui in a fantasy context because of his superior power numbers. Kent is better than Brian Roberts. Plus you're throwing Hamels in?

DiamondDave · March 20th, 2007, 09:03 AM

I would not say that Kent is now better than Roberts in a 7x7 league that includes both hits and BA for offensive players... Kent will probably beat Roberts in only 2 of 7 categories (HR, RBI)... but Roberts should have double digit HR and decent RBI for being a leadoff guy.....

And even with this type of limit/minimum setup on innings (Which is frankly the most stupid thing I have ever seen in my life)... Hamels has value this year.... Dunn has power, but walks are being counted in this league, so that pushes into one of his strengths (he does not hit for high average).... so Matsui should be more valuable all around, than Dunn but Dunn will be more valuable here than in a 5x5 league for I believe his # of walks will outweigh his lesser amount of hits

Personally... with Wainwright not certain on his status in the rotation and/or the pen.... and me not being impressed with the pitches you have that are beneath Hamels... I just don't see how you do this right now, even with the upgrade to Roberts.... I like to trade from depth to improve at a position... not to widen one of your weaknesses (a plethora of unproven pitchers, of which Hamels is the top one or the 2nd one behind Bush).... If you were trading Dunn, Kent, and either Fielder or LaRoche, I could understand that, because you are trading from your depth

Sawman · March 20th, 2007, 12:57 PM

I don't see the point of that trade for you. What's Roberts going to get you, 30-35 steals (1-2 per week)? That's not going to be enough to win you the steals category in a head-to-head league. Keep Dunn, offset his low BA with your higher AVG hitters, and win the other 6 offensive categories. If you want to trade, look to upgrade the back end of your rotation.

paparye05 · March 20th, 2007, 01:05 PM

sounds good to me...offer around who u think

Sawman · March 20th, 2007, 01:24 PM

Without knowing what other teams in your league need, it's just guesswork, but try to package Wainwright (who will be a starter this season, not a closer) with LaRoche and find an innings eater who will get you a couple of complete games during the season. Felix Hernandez most likely won't get you any, what with the Mariners keeping a close watch on his pitch count. As DD said, trade from your strength to improve a weakness, not vice-versa.

paparye05 · March 21st, 2007, 04:46 PM

ite guys i made my first move of the year...i traded jeff kent for julio lugo...what u guys think about that...its pending i could cancel it tho if u guys think its horrible for me..but i need sbs..and i think he helps...also kents injury history...tell me what u think

BMW · March 21st, 2007, 04:57 PM

with Lugo in Boston I like it...plus he is eligible at more than one position.

DiamondDave · March 21st, 2007, 04:58 PM

You need Sbs... Kent is not the Kent of old... I say more than a good enough move

Sawman · March 21st, 2007, 05:25 PM

Well, as I mentioned before, I don't think the steals are going to help you as much you'd hope, but I like the Kent/Lugo upgrade. In the Boston lineup, Lugo is going to hit for higher avg, have more steals, score just as many runs and have just as many walks as Kent will. That alone makes it an upgrade in your favor, good trade overall.

Scoresberg21 · April 4th, 2007, 08:10 PM

I think that you would be getting robbed. Kent will put up as good or better numbers than Roberts. Hamels is going to have a huge year. He already started out great tonight with a 7 IP, 0 ER, 8 K outing tonight against the Braves, and Adam Dunn might return to powerhouse form. Horrible trade I think.

paparye05 · April 5th, 2007, 06:41 AM

i got julio lugo for jeff kent thats the only move i made i also dropped kevin gregg and picked up rafael soriano....any suggestions for my team who is off to a hot start...sheets and felix the king were huge...same with dunn and a few others ( arod mccann, holliday)

DiamondDave · April 5th, 2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoresberg21

I think that you would be getting robbed. Kent will put up as good or better numbers than Roberts. Hamels is going to have a huge year. He already started out great tonight with a 7 IP, 0 ER, 8 K outing tonight against the Braves, and Adam Dunn might return to powerhouse form. Horrible trade I think.

Do not read the results from the first 3 games of the season to project season performance... .this is a very typical rookie mistake that experienced players take advantage of, when they drop superior players with slightly slower starts for a flash-in-the-pan starter who hit 3 HR in the first 4 games (***cough Chris Shelton 2006*** cough)

paparye05 · April 12th, 2007, 09:42 AM

so far....rios and lugo havent impressed me much...but my pitching has been impressive...especially my young guns....wainwright james hamels and others....what u guys think so far let me know ur opinions...thanx

paparye05 · May 5th, 2007, 08:39 AM

hey guys i was offered moises alou for chuck james...and also i traded jj hardy for daniel cabrera what u think i would do with the trade

March 20th, 2007, 09:03 AM	#18 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	I would not say that Kent is now better than Roberts in a 7x7 league that includes both hits and BA for offensive players... Kent will probably beat Roberts in only 2 of 7 categories (HR, RBI)... but Roberts should have double digit HR and decent RBI for being a leadoff guy..... And even with this type of limit/minimum setup on innings (Which is frankly the most stupid thing I have ever seen in my life)... Hamels has value this year.... Dunn has power, but walks are being counted in this league, so that pushes into one of his strengths (he does not hit for high average).... so Matsui should be more valuable all around, than Dunn but Dunn will be more valuable here than in a 5x5 league for I believe his # of walks will outweigh his lesser amount of hits Personally... with Wainwright not certain on his status in the rotation and/or the pen.... and me not being impressed with the pitches you have that are beneath Hamels... I just don't see how you do this right now, even with the upgrade to Roberts.... I like to trade from depth to improve at a position... not to widen one of your weaknesses (a plethora of unproven pitchers, of which Hamels is the top one or the 2nd one behind Bush).... If you were trading Dunn, Kent, and either Fielder or LaRoche, I could understand that, because you are trading from your depth __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions. Last edited by DiamondDave; March 20th, 2007 at 09:05 AM.

March 21st, 2007, 04:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
BMW Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	with Lugo in Boston I like it...plus he is eligible at more than one position. __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

March 21st, 2007, 04:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
DiamondDave Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MD, on the Potomac River Posts: 5,390	You need Sbs... Kent is not the Kent of old... I say more than a good enough move __________________ Reagan in 08... Even though he's dead, he's the better choice! Superdelegates - Because even the Democratic party knows it's base is too stupid to make really important decisions.

May 5th, 2007, 08:39 AM	#30 (permalink)
paparye05 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20	need help hey guys i was offered moises alou for chuck james...and also i traded jj hardy for daniel cabrera what u think i would do with the trade

March 20th, 2007, 04:59 AM	#16 (permalink)
paparye05 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20	i offered him jeff kent adam dunn and cole hamels for brian roberts and hideki matsui what you think about this deal?

March 20th, 2007, 08:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,214	I think you're offering way too much. Dunn is probably more valuable than Matsui in a fantasy context because of his superior power numbers. Kent is better than Brian Roberts. Plus you're throwing Hamels in?

March 20th, 2007, 12:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
Sawman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca. Posts: 259	I don't see the point of that trade for you. What's Roberts going to get you, 30-35 steals (1-2 per week)? That's not going to be enough to win you the steals category in a head-to-head league. Keep Dunn, offset his low BA with your higher AVG hitters, and win the other 6 offensive categories. If you want to trade, look to upgrade the back end of your rotation.

March 20th, 2007, 01:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
paparye05 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20	sounds good to me...offer around who u think

March 20th, 2007, 01:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
Sawman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca. Posts: 259	Without knowing what other teams in your league need, it's just guesswork, but try to package Wainwright (who will be a starter this season, not a closer) with LaRoche and find an innings eater who will get you a couple of complete games during the season. Felix Hernandez most likely won't get you any, what with the Mariners keeping a close watch on his pitch count. As DD said, trade from your strength to improve a weakness, not vice-versa.

March 21st, 2007, 04:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
paparye05 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20	ite guys i made my first move of the year...i traded jeff kent for julio lugo...what u guys think about that...its pending i could cancel it tho if u guys think its horrible for me..but i need sbs..and i think he helps...also kents injury history...tell me what u think

March 21st, 2007, 05:25 PM	#25 (permalink)
Sawman Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca. Posts: 259	Well, as I mentioned before, I don't think the steals are going to help you as much you'd hope, but I like the Kent/Lugo upgrade. In the Boston lineup, Lugo is going to hit for higher avg, have more steals, score just as many runs and have just as many walks as Kent will. That alone makes it an upgrade in your favor, good trade overall.

April 4th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#26 (permalink)
Scoresberg21 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 16	I think that you would be getting robbed. Kent will put up as good or better numbers than Roberts. Hamels is going to have a huge year. He already started out great tonight with a 7 IP, 0 ER, 8 K outing tonight against the Braves, and Adam Dunn might return to powerhouse form. Horrible trade I think.

April 5th, 2007, 06:41 AM	#27 (permalink)
paparye05 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20	i got julio lugo for jeff kent thats the only move i made i also dropped kevin gregg and picked up rafael soriano....any suggestions for my team who is off to a hot start...sheets and felix the king were huge...same with dunn and a few others ( arod mccann, holliday)

April 12th, 2007, 09:42 AM	#29 (permalink)
paparye05 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 20	so far....rios and lugo havent impressed me much...but my pitching has been impressive...especially my young guns....wainwright james hamels and others....what u guys think so far let me know ur opinions...thanx