First Draft of the Year

BMW · 03-08-2007, 03:04 PM

Simple 12 Team 5x5 Head to Head Roto
C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, OF, OF, OF, UTIL, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P

C Jason Varitek (round 15)
C Paul Lo Duca (21)
1B Prince Fielder (9)
1B/2B Mark Loretta (19)
2B Rickie Weeks (7)
SS Stephen Drew (12)
3B Scott Rolen (8)
OF Hideki Matsui (4)
OF Juan Pierre (5)
OF Delmon Young (6)
OF Nick Markakis (13)
OF Josh Willingham (17)

SP Johan Santana (1)
SP Chris Carpenter (2)
SP Roy Oswalt (3)
SP Rich Harden (11)
SP Joe Blanton (20)
RP Chad Cordero (10)
RP Scot Shields (14)
RP Dan Wheeler (18)

I don't like how thin I am at SS and 3B but the guys I was looking at there just didn't pan out...everyone killed hitters the first three rounds, thus my SP's and why I took Matsui as the top available hitter left at that point.

Opinions welcome....

Nocahoma · 03-08-2007, 03:13 PM

OF might be a tad thin. I just don't like Juan Pierre, even in Roto (where SB's are weighted more heavily). Rolen is not as bad a pick as you think, plus I bet you could get a nice backup for him from the stock of 2nd/3rd year 3B-men that are out there.

You are right about the SP's. Whew. Can you flip one for a Closer?

DiamondDave · 03-08-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW

Simple 12 Team 5x5 Head to Head Roto
C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, OF, OF, OF, UTIL, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P

C Jason Varitek (round 15)
C Paul Lo Duca (21)
1B Prince Fielder (9)
1B/2B Mark Loretta (19)
2B Rickie Weeks (7)
SS Stephen Drew (12)
3B Scott Rolen (8)
OF Hideki Matsui (4)
OF Juan Pierre (5)
OF Delmon Young (6)
OF Nick Markakis (13)
OF Josh Willingham (17)

SP Johan Santana (1)
SP Chris Carpenter (2)
SP Roy Oswalt (3)
SP Rich Harden (11)
SP Joe Blanton (20)
RP Chad Cordero (10)
RP Scot Shields (14)
RP Dan Wheeler (18)

I don't like how thin I am at SS and 3B but the guys I was looking at there just didn't pan out...everyone killed hitters the first three rounds, thus my SP's and why I took Matsui as the top available hitter left at that point.

Opinions welcome....

Hey buddy... good to see you are still doing it after all these years... I still remember (it seems not long ago) when you were doing your first league

One hell of a pitching staff here.... supprised you don't have one of the pitchers from your favorite team...

The only pick I don't like really (and it is just a personal choice) is Pierre... I am not a fan of 1 or 2 category players.... Pierre can really help on steals, but his yearly run, hr, and RBI totals can sometimes hurt in roto more than it can in a points based league.... one thing I have found though is he is excellent trade material a bit into the season to a team that is hurting on steals.....

I like Markakis at 13, love Harden at 11, and Fielder at 9... all could be poised for breakout years

BMW · 03-08-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DiamondDave

Hey buddy... good to see you are still doing it after all these years... I still remember (it seems not long ago) when you were doing your first league

One hell of a pitching staff here.... supprised you don't have one of the pitchers from your favorite team...

The only pick I don't like really (and it is just a personal choice) is Pierre... I am not a fan of 1 or 2 category players.... Pierre can really help on steals, but his yearly run, hr, and RBI totals can sometimes hurt in roto more than it can in a points based league.... one thing I have found though is he is excellent trade material a bit into the season to a team that is hurting on steals.....

I like Markakis at 13, love Harden at 11, and Fielder at 9... all could be poised for breakout years

Haha, I probably still ask just as many questions as that first year....Sheets, Cappy and Bush all went too early for me in this one..that and with those 3 I felt I didn't need to take another SP until they were really dwindling away, alas Harden and Blanton where I got them. I wasn't thrilled about Pierre either but I really felt at that time I was going to be able to get enough power numbers (HR's, RBI's) from guys like Fielder, Weeks (for his position), Rolen, Matsui, Young to make up for it. That and I think with the move he has a lot more space to put the ball in and raise his BA to help the younger guys on my team who may struggle with BA. That and I think Pierre will have a pretty good comeback year with his splits from last year....First Half he had 43 more at bats, and in the second half he had the same amount of hits (102), 1 more 3B, 1 more HR, 8 more RBI's, 20 less K's, and raised his batting average .036 points which I felt was pretty significant....

645 · 03-08-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW

everyone killed hitters the first three rounds, thus my SP's and why I took Matsui as the top available hitter left at that point.

Everyone killed the Hitters for a good reason. You took the only 3 pitchers worth taking in the first 40 picks and you reached to 2 of them.

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I don't like how thin I am at SS and 3B but the guys I was looking at there just didn't pan out...

Don't worry about it. Drew will be good enough and Rolen is a fine player if he stays heathty.

So it is a fine team but I would worry about the hitting starting off with 3 pitchers.

BMW · 03-08-2007, 06:01 PM

Carlos Zambrano and Daisuke Matsuzaka were both taken in the 3rd round right before I took Oswalt which I thought was funny....then Halladay went right before I took Matsui...I was drafting 6th in odd rounds and 7th in even...so it went Soriano, Pujols, Reyes, ARod, Howard so I didnt like anything more than Santana then it came around and Beltran, Cabrera, Wright and Crawford were gone...leaving me with no one I liked more than Carpenter, then Sizemore, CLee, JBay and VWells were gone so I had no one I liked more than Oswalt...I was really hoping to get Hanley Ramirez or Chone Figgins or Andruw Jones at 4 and then Matsui at 5 but they were all gone by the time I picked at 4. If I would have picked Grady Sizemore 2nd I could have taken Sheets instead of Pierre but whatever, then I'd have 3 Brewers and hate my injury risks even more....

645 · 03-08-2007, 06:39 PM

hmmm, You got me windering on why you thought that way and who may or may not been there.

Could you post how them first 3 Rounds in full?

BMW · 03-08-2007, 07:25 PM

1. Soriano
2. Pujols
3. Reyes
4. ARod
5. Ryan Howard
6. Santana
7. Beltran
8. Cabrera
9. Ortiz
10. Wright
11. Utley
12. Guerrero

12. Berkman
11. Ramirez
10. Crawford
9. Texeira
8. Jeter
7. Morneau
6. Carpenter
5. Suzuki
4. Sizemore
3. Hafner
2. Carlos Lee
1. Bay

1. Zambrano
2. Vernon Wells
3. Matt Holliday
4. Jimmy Rollins
5. Miguel Tejada
6. Roy Oswalt
7. Daisuke Matsuzaka
8. Chone Figgins
9. Andruw Jones
10. Derek Lee
11. Hanley Ramirez
12. Joe Mauer

12. Michael Young
11. Bobby Abreu
10. Aramis Ramirez
9. Garrett Atkins
8. Jermaine Dye
7. Robinson Cano
6. Hideki Matsui
5. Roy Halladay
4. Francisco Rodriguez
3. Victor Martinez
2. Jake Peavy
1. Carlos Delgado

1. Brandon Webb
2. CC Sabathia
3. Paul Konerko
4. Joe Nathan
5. Bill Hall
6. Juan Pierre
7. Mike Piazza
8. Gary Sheffield
9. Rafael Furcal
10. Felix Hernandez
11. Mariano Rivera
12. Troy Glaus

Looking back, had I known who would be there in the 2nd and 3rd round as far as pitching goes...I would have taken Beltran...but at the time I was planning on taking Santana and then going hitting for a couple of rounds....I italicised the people I was hoping would fall to my next pick...obviously some of the earlier ones didnt even come close...as the draft went on I was lucky to get some of my guys such as Weeks, Rolen, Fielder, Harden, Markakis, Varitek, Hudson and Blanton.

645 · 03-09-2007, 11:10 AM

I agree with Santana he was your best option there.

in the 2nd Hafner droped longer then he should have. He is the guy you should have picked.

Then Carpenter could of been a good 3rd pick if he falls that far and if not someone else may have been for you had changed the draft board and Joe Mauer was also still there when you picked 3rd and he is 10 spots ahead of Oswalt on the Average Draft Possition listing.

So lets say if you did Santana, Hafner and Mauer you could fell alright to pass on Matsui to take Jake Peavy or Zambrano.

And you would of just as strong if you take another in the next few rounds and you would a few better hitters.

BMW · 03-09-2007, 12:44 PM

These are just to kind of play around and practice up for my big money draft in a couple of weeks anyway...here's my team

again, basic 5x5 roto league 12 teams...2 SP, 2 RP, 3 P

C Paul Lo Duca (20)
1B Albert Pujols (1)
2B Rickie Weeks (6)
SS Michael Young (5)
3B Morgan Ensberg (12)
OF Grady Sizemore (2)
OF Delmon Young (7)
OF Nick Swisher (1B) (10)
UTIL

Bench: OF Coco Crisp (15), OF Josh Willingham (16), SS Johnny Peralta (18), 3B Edwin Encarnacion (19)

SP Roy Oswalt (3)
SP Brandon Webb (4)
SP Dontrelle Willis (8)
SP Mark Prior (13)
SP Dave Bush (17)
RP Chad Cordero (9)
RP Tom Gordon (11)
RP Ryan Dempster (14)
RP Scott Shields (21)

645 · 03-09-2007, 09:16 PM

Nice, Other then a few Players I like that team.

That is a pritty good team. well, done.

BMW · 03-09-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 645

Nice, Other then a few Players I like that team.

That is a pritty good team. well, done.

Thanks, just out of curiosity, which players don't you like? Not saying that the team is perfect or whatever...I'm just curious to get people's opinions on as many players as possible.

645 · 03-09-2007, 10:43 PM

Well, I think you can do better then LoDuca at Catcher and Ensberg at third.

I also don't think much about Peraka and I don't think Mark Prior has anything left.

BMW · 03-10-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 645

Well, I think you can do better then LoDuca at Catcher and Ensberg at third.

I also don't think much about Peraka and I don't think Mark Prior has anything left.

Yeah I was hoping to grab Barrett, but someone got him right before me, in fact this one guy took 5 players right before I wanted to take them...so I was able to get value at the last pick of the draft for me with LoDuca. Ensberg I think is in for a big year with Lee added to their lineup. Peralta is a good back up, and I'm taking a hit or miss with Prior. I felt I could do so easily with the other pitchers I already have.

Nocahoma · 03-10-2007, 04:00 PM

Hey, if your biggest problem is at Catcher, you're doing just fine. I have LoDuca in one League, but it's only because I waited to pick him up in the last few rounds. The decent Catchers were gone by then, so why draft a poor Catcher 5-6 rounds too early just because everyone else has gotten one?

03-08-2007, 03:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
BMW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	First Draft of the Year Simple 12 Team 5x5 Head to Head Roto C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, OF, OF, OF, UTIL, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P C Jason Varitek (round 15) C Paul Lo Duca (21) 1B Prince Fielder (9) 1B/2B Mark Loretta (19) 2B Rickie Weeks (7) SS Stephen Drew (12) 3B Scott Rolen (8) OF Hideki Matsui (4) OF Juan Pierre (5) OF Delmon Young (6) OF Nick Markakis (13) OF Josh Willingham (17) SP Johan Santana (1) SP Chris Carpenter (2) SP Roy Oswalt (3) SP Rich Harden (11) SP Joe Blanton (20) RP Chad Cordero (10) RP Scot Shields (14) RP Dan Wheeler (18) I don't like how thin I am at SS and 3B but the guys I was looking at there just didn't pan out...everyone killed hitters the first three rounds, thus my SP's and why I took Matsui as the top available hitter left at that point. Opinions welcome.... __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

03-08-2007, 06:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
BMW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	Carlos Zambrano and Daisuke Matsuzaka were both taken in the 3rd round right before I took Oswalt which I thought was funny....then Halladay went right before I took Matsui...I was drafting 6th in odd rounds and 7th in even...so it went Soriano, Pujols, Reyes, ARod, Howard so I didnt like anything more than Santana then it came around and Beltran, Cabrera, Wright and Crawford were gone...leaving me with no one I liked more than Carpenter, then Sizemore, CLee, JBay and VWells were gone so I had no one I liked more than Oswalt...I was really hoping to get Hanley Ramirez or Chone Figgins or Andruw Jones at 4 and then Matsui at 5 but they were all gone by the time I picked at 4. If I would have picked Grady Sizemore 2nd I could have taken Sheets instead of Pierre but whatever, then I'd have 3 Brewers and hate my injury risks even more.... __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

03-08-2007, 07:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
BMW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	1. Soriano 2. Pujols 3. Reyes 4. ARod 5. Ryan Howard 6. Santana 7. Beltran 8. Cabrera 9. Ortiz 10. Wright 11. Utley 12. Guerrero 12. Berkman 11. Ramirez 10. Crawford 9. Texeira 8. Jeter 7. Morneau 6. Carpenter 5. Suzuki 4. Sizemore 3. Hafner 2. Carlos Lee 1. Bay 1. Zambrano 2. Vernon Wells 3. Matt Holliday 4. Jimmy Rollins 5. Miguel Tejada 6. Roy Oswalt 7. Daisuke Matsuzaka 8. Chone Figgins 9. Andruw Jones 10. Derek Lee 11. Hanley Ramirez 12. Joe Mauer 12. Michael Young 11. Bobby Abreu 10. Aramis Ramirez 9. Garrett Atkins 8. Jermaine Dye 7. Robinson Cano 6. Hideki Matsui 5. Roy Halladay 4. Francisco Rodriguez 3. Victor Martinez 2. Jake Peavy 1. Carlos Delgado 1. Brandon Webb 2. CC Sabathia 3. Paul Konerko 4. Joe Nathan 5. Bill Hall 6. Juan Pierre 7. Mike Piazza 8. Gary Sheffield 9. Rafael Furcal 10. Felix Hernandez 11. Mariano Rivera 12. Troy Glaus Looking back, had I known who would be there in the 2nd and 3rd round as far as pitching goes...I would have taken Beltran...but at the time I was planning on taking Santana and then going hitting for a couple of rounds....I italicised the people I was hoping would fall to my next pick...obviously some of the earlier ones didnt even come close...as the draft went on I was lucky to get some of my guys such as Weeks, Rolen, Fielder, Harden, Markakis, Varitek, Hudson and Blanton. __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

03-09-2007, 12:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
BMW Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cape Coral Florida Posts: 830	Second Draft These are just to kind of play around and practice up for my big money draft in a couple of weeks anyway...here's my team again, basic 5x5 roto league 12 teams...2 SP, 2 RP, 3 P C Paul Lo Duca (20) 1B Albert Pujols (1) 2B Rickie Weeks (6) SS Michael Young (5) 3B Morgan Ensberg (12) OF Grady Sizemore (2) OF Delmon Young (7) OF Nick Swisher (1B) (10) UTIL Bench: OF Coco Crisp (15), OF Josh Willingham (16), SS Johnny Peralta (18), 3B Edwin Encarnacion (19) SP Roy Oswalt (3) SP Brandon Webb (4) SP Dontrelle Willis (8) SP Mark Prior (13) SP Dave Bush (17) RP Chad Cordero (9) RP Tom Gordon (11) RP Ryan Dempster (14) RP Scott Shields (21) __________________ BMW Green Bay Packers 14-4

03-08-2007, 03:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	OF might be a tad thin. I just don't like Juan Pierre, even in Roto (where SB's are weighted more heavily). Rolen is not as bad a pick as you think, plus I bet you could get a nice backup for him from the stock of 2nd/3rd year 3B-men that are out there. You are right about the SP's. Whew. Can you flip one for a Closer?

03-08-2007, 06:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,010	hmmm, You got me windering on why you thought that way and who may or may not been there. Could you post how them first 3 Rounds in full?

03-09-2007, 11:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,010	I agree with Santana he was your best option there. in the 2nd Hafner droped longer then he should have. He is the guy you should have picked. Then Carpenter could of been a good 3rd pick if he falls that far and if not someone else may have been for you had changed the draft board and Joe Mauer was also still there when you picked 3rd and he is 10 spots ahead of Oswalt on the Average Draft Possition listing. So lets say if you did Santana, Hafner and Mauer you could fell alright to pass on Matsui to take Jake Peavy or Zambrano. And you would of just as strong if you take another in the next few rounds and you would a few better hitters.

03-09-2007, 09:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,010	Nice, Other then a few Players I like that team. That is a pritty good team. well, done.

03-09-2007, 10:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,010	Well, I think you can do better then LoDuca at Catcher and Ensberg at third. I also don't think much about Peraka and I don't think Mark Prior has anything left.

03-10-2007, 04:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
Nocahoma Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,238	Hey, if your biggest problem is at Catcher, you're doing just fine. I have LoDuca in one League, but it's only because I waited to pick him up in the last few rounds. The decent Catchers were gone by then, so why draft a poor Catcher 5-6 rounds too early just because everyone else has gotten one?