Next year's mock draft...

Kevin · 11-23-2006, 06:18 PM

Here's my 12 team, mixed 5x5 league first round:

1. Pujols
2. Reyes
3. A-Rod
4. Santana
5. Ortiz
6. Soriano
7. Carpenter
8. Howard
9. Berkman
10. Oswalt
11. Mauer
12. Manny

I had to give Reyes at #2 a lot of thought but I don't see why it's not merited. 120 R/85 RBI/20HR/70 SB from a SS is quite comparable to the 110/110/40/30 that A-Rod was putting up in his best days.

There are a lot of tough exclusions in this draft, Morneau and Crawford being two of them. Although they may produce at that level, I don't think the majority of fantasy leaguers will be picking them around those spots so I'd look for them as value 2nd or even, for Morneau, 3rd round picks. So I've substituted Manny and maybe reached up a bit to take Mauer.

Maybe once we agree on the 1st, let's move onto the second...

Dada · 11-23-2006, 06:33 PM

It's a bit early, and he're why: I think A-Rod will be traded. I just don't think the Yankees can keep him in the clubhouse another year. That said, I think the Cubs would be frontrunners for A-Rod. A-Rod would be then shifting back to SS.

If that happened, Pujols would have to move over.

all4phillysportsfan · 11-23-2006, 11:39 PM

I am a little surprised about no Beltran. I would take Beltran over Berkman in my opinion.

645 · 11-24-2006, 12:19 AM

I'm not sure about Reyes at 2. sure he is a great player but it is a tuff case to make taking him over A-rod. Then Mauer at 11? I'm not sold on that. Would you really want a Cather be your centerpiece of your team?

Kevin · 11-24-2006, 11:23 AM

Vlad is completely missing from my first round and nobody noticed! What a year...

Everybody worries about catcher as the 'center' of one's team but at pick 11 or 12, there's really not going to be that much difference between taking Mauer in the first or second round. Given the likelihood that he hits 330 with good run/rbi production and 20 SB I see that as a reasonable reach. Perhaps a pairing like Mauer and Tejada would be an excellent positional scarcity play.

I have to say that I may have overlooked Tejada, what's the perception of where he'll go this year? I've always liked him but it seems to me that people seem to always want a 'stand out' statistic as opposed to "all around good" so some may consider picking Jeter ahead of Tejada because of, in my mind, the fluky SB and AVG from last yr.

It's going to be a tough draft at 1B with so many choices. There's a case for taking Hafner ahead of Howard and it's going to be tempting for people to take 4-5 1B-DH in the first round. But I would argue that with that mentality dominating, this is going to be a very good year to take positional scarcity and grab the second tier of 1B in the 4th or 5th round. Mark Teixeira anyone?

So if I had the second pick to take Reyes, I'd see my first five rounds shaping up something like:

Reyes
Wells/Crawford/Sizemore (whichever is available)
Teixeira/Morneau/Konerko
V-Mart
Guillen/Furcal/Glaus (for MI slot)

- Kevin

645 · 11-24-2006, 03:54 PM

I noticed that Vlad and I was impressed for I don't think he is a first round guy anymore.

The reason I have a problem with a Catcher in the first Round. For history show offen that a Catcher will have a mouth or two unbeliveable stats and then they are below averge the rest of the year. I see that as a reach on what he did last year and you can question if Mauer can do it again next year.

And Kevin it is not a good thing to plain out your draft 6 mouths before. Lets take a look at that. Alright you take Reyes who is there for more his speed then his bat and in the secound round someone has already tolken Wells before you come up so you take Crawford or Sizemore. Same case as Reyes more Speed then hitting. Say you take Teixeira in the 3rd round and if he starts off in a slump like last year.then in the 4th you have a Catcher although V-Mart is a good one to have then that 5th round all of them guys where a disapointment last year for good part of the year.

So I see you could end up but very strong in SB but very disapointing on all the other hitting stats and that even bring up how many good pitchers will be left in a 12 team league in the 6th or 7th round.

Kevin · 11-24-2006, 05:38 PM

I'm the type who fills every roster spot before I take a single pitcher. That's brought on consternation in the past but every year, I've ended up with somebody good. There are just too many P's in a 5x5 12 team mixed.

Of course my picks will change over the next 6 months and based on soft factors like where the value ends up being. I still don't know is Tex is a 3rd rounder, 2nd rounder or 1st rounder. If he tears up Spring Training, he might get right back up on people's lists.

Let's hear someone else's mock draft.. or yours.

- Kevin

645 · 11-25-2006, 02:29 PM

Yeah, Nothing wrong with doing that. I did that last year in a Points league.

I put together a unbeliveable lineup and I drafted 3 Closers and picked up 2 more top closers that a few people where stupid enough to drop and Starters I forcused on pitchers whith a alot of strike outs and I got lucky with the likes of Francisco Liriano and Scott Kazmir.

I came out of the gate so fast scoring so many points that it was clear that I was going to win the league like a mouth and half into the season.

So I can agree that can work if you know the pitchers to go after.

KRS-One · 11-25-2006, 03:22 PM

~A-Rod falls to the 5 spot.
~Tejada is somewhere up there, if for no reason other than that SS is home to very few productive fantasy players.
~If Soriano could cut down on his K's and increase his AVG he'd easily be #2, but I think he should go there anyway. .277/119/46/95/41 is phenomenal.
~Replace Berkman with Beltran.
~I'd say Mauer is the one that drops to the 2nd round for Tejada. He gets plenty of hits and scores plenty of runs, but 13 HR and 84 RBI really don't constitute a 1st round pick in my eyes. I think he drops to between pick #15 and pick #24. I don't see him falling to round 3.

My strategy is usually to draft 2 starting pitchers and 4 position players in the first 6 rounds, and then taking a closer in round 7. I've found that Joe Nathan is usually still around then, which is odd to me, but I always get him.

After that I like to fill my starting lineup, then draft the rest of my pitchers (of course looking for sleepers). Last year I got Francisco Liriano in every one of my draft because I had a gut feeling he would be amazing, and I think I can say I was right

My Round 1 Mock looks like this....

1. Albert Pujols, 1B
2. Alfonso Soriano, OF
3. Jose Reyes, SS
4. Johan Santana, SP
5. Ryan Howard, 1B
6. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
7. Vlad Guerrero, OF
8. David Ortiz, DH
9. Miguel Cabrera, 3B
10. David Wright, 3B
11. Miguel Tejada, SS
12. Chris Carpenter, SP

645 · 11-26-2006, 09:46 PM

Alright then, I usely don't even think of putting together a mock this early before the season but as the new Forum leader I think I will to show you all that I am a informed Fantasy Player that knows the game very will.

1 - Albert Pujols
2 - Alfonso Soriano: RFK is the worst hitters park in the majors and the move to Wrigley will only help him have a moster season.
3 - A Rod: I think he has to rebound and that there has to be some monster season left in him.
4 - Ryan Howard: He put up monster numbers in his 2nd year and there still time for him to get better.
5 - Johan Santana
6 - Jose Reyes: I don't like putting speed in the first round but his Stolen Bases look good at shortstop.
7 - David Ortiz
8 - Miguel Cabrera
9 - Chase Utley: With Soriano losing his 2B eligible that puts Utley in a class of his own and there will be more demand for Utley becouse of it.
10 - Carlos Beltran: Beltran turn it around last season and he desolves the respeat for that. Atless for now.
11 - David Wright
12 - Lance Berkman

KRS-One · 11-26-2006, 09:56 PM

Oh man, I forgot Chase Utley...he definitely goes somewhere in the top 12.

Codered · 11-29-2006, 11:55 AM

Keep in mind I am a guy who hardly puts pitchers in the first round of a 12 team fantasy draft.

1. Pujols
2. Soriano
3. Santana
4. Reyes
5. A-Rod
6. Ortiz
7. Howard
9. Manny
10. Tejada
11. Beltran
12. Oswalt

Though I'll admit if it was me I'd probably take Wright or Utley over Oswalt there at #12.

Patronus · 12-04-2006, 02:20 PM

There is no way I'd even remotely consider taking any pitcher not named Johan in the first round and I'd be really unlikely to take Johan as well.

Give me a stud offense and I'll worry about the pitching later.

bigheadache · 12-09-2006, 03:42 PM

My first round would be

1. Pujols
2. Howard
3. Soriano
4. Santana
5. Arod
6. Oritz
7. Beltran
8. Berkman
9. Vlad
10. Oswalt
11. Utley
12. Ramirez

The frist 6 were relatively easy for me. There are about 10 names that could be in that 2nd six.

Beltran gets in because he delivers both power and speed.
Berkman give you great numbers in 4 of 5 categories.
Vlad is still a very good player in all 5 categories.
Oswalt gives you big nubers in wins and ERA, with better than average Ks and WHIP.
It was a coin flip between Utley and Tejada. I think there is more depth at SS than at 2nd.
Manny's numbers were down this year but he is still capable of putting up great numbers in 4 of 5 categories.

As for those that just missed, Reyes gives you great steals numbers and good numbers in several other categories. Other than position scarcity, he is similar to Crawford and Suzuki. Maybe slightly better, but not a great deal. Pitchers are a gamble and I have trouble decidng where they should go.

11-23-2006, 06:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kevin FanHome Founder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 102	Next year's mock draft... Here's my 12 team, mixed 5x5 league first round: 1. Pujols 2. Reyes 3. A-Rod 4. Santana 5. Ortiz 6. Soriano 7. Carpenter 8. Howard 9. Berkman 10. Oswalt 11. Mauer 12. Manny I had to give Reyes at #2 a lot of thought but I don't see why it's not merited. 120 R/85 RBI/20HR/70 SB from a SS is quite comparable to the 110/110/40/30 that A-Rod was putting up in his best days. There are a lot of tough exclusions in this draft, Morneau and Crawford being two of them. Although they may produce at that level, I don't think the majority of fantasy leaguers will be picking them around those spots so I'd look for them as value 2nd or even, for Morneau, 3rd round picks. So I've substituted Manny and maybe reached up a bit to take Mauer. Maybe once we agree on the 1st, let's move onto the second... __________________ FanHome is Independent Again! Tell a Friend \| Moderators: Read This Thread and That

11-24-2006, 11:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
Kevin FanHome Founder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 102	Vlad is completely missing from my first round and nobody noticed! What a year... Everybody worries about catcher as the 'center' of one's team but at pick 11 or 12, there's really not going to be that much difference between taking Mauer in the first or second round. Given the likelihood that he hits 330 with good run/rbi production and 20 SB I see that as a reasonable reach. Perhaps a pairing like Mauer and Tejada would be an excellent positional scarcity play. I have to say that I may have overlooked Tejada, what's the perception of where he'll go this year? I've always liked him but it seems to me that people seem to always want a 'stand out' statistic as opposed to "all around good" so some may consider picking Jeter ahead of Tejada because of, in my mind, the fluky SB and AVG from last yr. It's going to be a tough draft at 1B with so many choices. There's a case for taking Hafner ahead of Howard and it's going to be tempting for people to take 4-5 1B-DH in the first round. But I would argue that with that mentality dominating, this is going to be a very good year to take positional scarcity and grab the second tier of 1B in the 4th or 5th round. Mark Teixeira anyone? So if I had the second pick to take Reyes, I'd see my first five rounds shaping up something like: Reyes Wells/Crawford/Sizemore (whichever is available) Teixeira/Morneau/Konerko V-Mart Guillen/Furcal/Glaus (for MI slot) - Kevin __________________ FanHome is Independent Again! Tell a Friend \| Moderators: Read This Thread and That

11-24-2006, 05:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kevin FanHome Founder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 102	I'm the type who fills every roster spot before I take a single pitcher. That's brought on consternation in the past but every year, I've ended up with somebody good. There are just too many P's in a 5x5 12 team mixed. Of course my picks will change over the next 6 months and based on soft factors like where the value ends up being. I still don't know is Tex is a 3rd rounder, 2nd rounder or 1st rounder. If he tears up Spring Training, he might get right back up on people's lists. Let's hear someone else's mock draft.. or yours. - Kevin __________________ FanHome is Independent Again! Tell a Friend \| Moderators: Read This Thread and That

11-25-2006, 03:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
KRS-One Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just South of Baltimore, MD Posts: 185	~A-Rod falls to the 5 spot. ~Tejada is somewhere up there, if for no reason other than that SS is home to very few productive fantasy players. ~If Soriano could cut down on his K's and increase his AVG he'd easily be #2, but I think he should go there anyway. .277/119/46/95/41 is phenomenal. ~Replace Berkman with Beltran. ~I'd say Mauer is the one that drops to the 2nd round for Tejada. He gets plenty of hits and scores plenty of runs, but 13 HR and 84 RBI really don't constitute a 1st round pick in my eyes. I think he drops to between pick #15 and pick #24. I don't see him falling to round 3. My strategy is usually to draft 2 starting pitchers and 4 position players in the first 6 rounds, and then taking a closer in round 7. I've found that Joe Nathan is usually still around then, which is odd to me, but I always get him. After that I like to fill my starting lineup, then draft the rest of my pitchers (of course looking for sleepers). Last year I got Francisco Liriano in every one of my draft because I had a gut feeling he would be amazing, and I think I can say I was right My Round 1 Mock looks like this.... 1. Albert Pujols, 1B 2. Alfonso Soriano, OF 3. Jose Reyes, SS 4. Johan Santana, SP 5. Ryan Howard, 1B 6. Alex Rodriguez, 3B 7. Vlad Guerrero, OF 8. David Ortiz, DH 9. Miguel Cabrera, 3B 10. David Wright, 3B 11. Miguel Tejada, SS 12. Chris Carpenter, SP __________________ Orioles-Ravens-Wizards-Terps How could colonized minds lead to such uncivilized times? Maybe the tribes were harmonious and you were erroneous. Last edited by KRS-One; 11-25-2006 at 03:33 PM.

11-26-2006, 09:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
KRS-One Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Just South of Baltimore, MD Posts: 185	Oh man, I forgot Chase Utley...he definitely goes somewhere in the top 12. __________________ Orioles-Ravens-Wizards-Terps How could colonized minds lead to such uncivilized times? Maybe the tribes were harmonious and you were erroneous.

11-23-2006, 06:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dada Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 125	It's a bit early, and he're why: I think A-Rod will be traded. I just don't think the Yankees can keep him in the clubhouse another year. That said, I think the Cubs would be frontrunners for A-Rod. A-Rod would be then shifting back to SS. If that happened, Pujols would have to move over.

11-23-2006, 11:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
all4phillysportsfan Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,630	I am a little surprised about no Beltran. I would take Beltran over Berkman in my opinion.

11-24-2006, 12:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,133	I'm not sure about Reyes at 2. sure he is a great player but it is a tuff case to make taking him over A-rod. Then Mauer at 11? I'm not sold on that. Would you really want a Cather be your centerpiece of your team?

11-24-2006, 03:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,133	I noticed that Vlad and I was impressed for I don't think he is a first round guy anymore. The reason I have a problem with a Catcher in the first Round. For history show offen that a Catcher will have a mouth or two unbeliveable stats and then they are below averge the rest of the year. I see that as a reach on what he did last year and you can question if Mauer can do it again next year. And Kevin it is not a good thing to plain out your draft 6 mouths before. Lets take a look at that. Alright you take Reyes who is there for more his speed then his bat and in the secound round someone has already tolken Wells before you come up so you take Crawford or Sizemore. Same case as Reyes more Speed then hitting. Say you take Teixeira in the 3rd round and if he starts off in a slump like last year.then in the 4th you have a Catcher although V-Mart is a good one to have then that 5th round all of them guys where a disapointment last year for good part of the year. So I see you could end up but very strong in SB but very disapointing on all the other hitting stats and that even bring up how many good pitchers will be left in a 12 team league in the 6th or 7th round.

11-25-2006, 02:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,133	Yeah, Nothing wrong with doing that. I did that last year in a Points league. I put together a unbeliveable lineup and I drafted 3 Closers and picked up 2 more top closers that a few people where stupid enough to drop and Starters I forcused on pitchers whith a alot of strike outs and I got lucky with the likes of Francisco Liriano and Scott Kazmir. I came out of the gate so fast scoring so many points that it was clear that I was going to win the league like a mouth and half into the season. So I can agree that can work if you know the pitchers to go after.

11-26-2006, 09:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
645 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,133	Alright then, I usely don't even think of putting together a mock this early before the season but as the new Forum leader I think I will to show you all that I am a informed Fantasy Player that knows the game very will. 1 - Albert Pujols 2 - Alfonso Soriano: RFK is the worst hitters park in the majors and the move to Wrigley will only help him have a moster season. 3 - A Rod: I think he has to rebound and that there has to be some monster season left in him. 4 - Ryan Howard: He put up monster numbers in his 2nd year and there still time for him to get better. 5 - Johan Santana 6 - Jose Reyes: I don't like putting speed in the first round but his Stolen Bases look good at shortstop. 7 - David Ortiz 8 - Miguel Cabrera 9 - Chase Utley: With Soriano losing his 2B eligible that puts Utley in a class of his own and there will be more demand for Utley becouse of it. 10 - Carlos Beltran: Beltran turn it around last season and he desolves the respeat for that. Atless for now. 11 - David Wright 12 - Lance Berkman

11-29-2006, 11:55 AM	#12 (permalink)
Codered Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 148	Keep in mind I am a guy who hardly puts pitchers in the first round of a 12 team fantasy draft. 1. Pujols 2. Soriano 3. Santana 4. Reyes 5. A-Rod 6. Ortiz 7. Howard 9. Manny 10. Tejada 11. Beltran 12. Oswalt Though I'll admit if it was me I'd probably take Wright or Utley over Oswalt there at #12. __________________ Save us Jay Cutler....

12-04-2006, 02:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Patronus Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 27	There is no way I'd even remotely consider taking any pitcher not named Johan in the first round and I'd be really unlikely to take Johan as well. Give me a stud offense and I'll worry about the pitching later. __________________ Order. Design. Tension. Balance. Light. Harmony.

12-09-2006, 03:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
bigheadache Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roswell, NM Posts: 859	My first round would be 1. Pujols 2. Howard 3. Soriano 4. Santana 5. Arod 6. Oritz 7. Beltran 8. Berkman 9. Vlad 10. Oswalt 11. Utley 12. Ramirez The frist 6 were relatively easy for me. There are about 10 names that could be in that 2nd six. Beltran gets in because he delivers both power and speed. Berkman give you great numbers in 4 of 5 categories. Vlad is still a very good player in all 5 categories. Oswalt gives you big nubers in wins and ERA, with better than average Ks and WHIP. It was a coin flip between Utley and Tejada. I think there is more depth at SS than at 2nd. Manny's numbers were down this year but he is still capable of putting up great numbers in 4 of 5 categories. As for those that just missed, Reyes gives you great steals numbers and good numbers in several other categories. Other than position scarcity, he is similar to Crawford and Suzuki. Maybe slightly better, but not a great deal. Pitchers are a gamble and I have trouble decidng where they should go.