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Old June 17th, 2008, 12:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If your B list has Clapton and Hendrix & Pete T on it, then Neil Young MUST be on it. He's made a much bigger contribution to music then those guys. Better throw Ray Davies on that list as well
Yes, I wouldn't object to either of those two - although I'd argue that Neil Young has made a bigger contribution to music than any of the people on my 'B' list. I think all of the people on this list - including Young and Davies - are likely to be remembered for musical ability and songwriting talents, not as cultural icons. I'd almost be willing to switch the Stones from the A list to the B list for that reason. They make it on longevity.
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Old June 17th, 2008, 12:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The late Eva Cassidy had a very unique talent of taking someone's else's song and making it better.

She did it many times including the two I posted.

That was her playing the guitar as well.

Does that make her 2/3 talent?
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Old June 17th, 2008, 12:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The late Eva Cassidy had a very unique talent of taking someone's else's song and making it better.

She did it many times including the two I posted.

That was her playing the guitar as well.

Does that make her 2/3 talent?
ah man, she's dead? How? she looks very young, and kinda smokin'
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Old June 17th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #19 (permalink)
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ah man, she's dead? How? she looks very young, and kinda smokin'
She died of cancer in 1996 at the tender age of 33.

Watch the ABC Nightline special about her I pm'd you. She really was an amazing young woman.
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The custodians of our cultual memory are all under 25. So nobody will be remembered who predates YouTube.
This is a semi-fair statement. That's why I was trying to think of artists who had stood the test of time and spanned generations of fans. These are the ones who will be remembered.
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She died of cancer in 1996 at the tender age of 33.

Watch the ABC Nightline special about her I pm'd you. She really was an amazing young woman.
Okay, a feather for your cap, that gal does sing like an angel
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Old June 17th, 2008, 01:02 PM   #22 (permalink)
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YouTube was created in February 2005, so jtur has just eliminated the entire 20th century.
Exactly. Try to find a significant representation of anything dated in the 20-th century on YouTube. Or, for that matter, anybody over the age of 25 doing anything on YouTube.
Try a test like this. The African country of Burkina Faso change its name from Upper Volta. It ws Upper Volta from 1960 to 1984, and Burkina Faso from '84 to the present. Exactly 24 years with each name

Now, google those names. 128,000,000 hits on Burkina Faso, and only 777,000 hits on Upper Volta. Assume nothing goes into future memory except what is on the internet (actually, a fairly realistic assumption). There is 165 times as much material about the last 24 years, as about the 24 years preceding. See what I'm talking about?

Besides Babe Ruth, how many of your friends can name ONE batter who led the league in home runs before 1940?
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Old June 17th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Well, I think as a singer and a performer, he's not partucularly noteworthy. Everybody covers Dylan songs better than Dylan - from 'Mr. Tamobourine Man' on down.

As a songwriter, however, he's in a class by himself.
No, as a lyricist you can make that claim. His musical compositions are not great.
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How many of the popular musical acts of 1908 are remembered today? That's how many of today's pop stars will be remembered in 100 years.

John Adams, Phillip Glass, maybe Wynton Marsalis, Miles Davis and John Coltrane; plus a few other composers that you've probably never heard of.

Pavaroti, Domingo and Carreras will be remembered as performers. Glenn Gould probably will be, too.
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Old June 17th, 2008, 05:39 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm basing my input on two assumptions:

1. We can reach as far baaaack as my generation;

2. In 100 years there will be a hunger for literacy and internationalism in popular music.

On that basis, I believe the works of Harold Arlen, Hoagy Carmichael and Johnny Mercer will be resurrected, along with performers who interpreted their songs.

As an individual talent, I believe Angelique Kidjo will have staying power, with her powerful voice extending from African to Middle Eastern to jazz and blues repertoires.

Heck, she's already made in into "The Simpsons."
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Yes, I wouldn't object to either of those two - although I'd argue that Neil Young has made a bigger contribution to music than any of the people on my 'B' list. I think all of the people on this list - including Young and Davies - are likely to be remembered for musical ability and songwriting talents, not as cultural icons. I'd almost be willing to switch the Stones from the A list to the B list for that reason. They make it on longevity.
Following Young's career like I have he's at the top of my list, but I just don't know if everyone feels the way I do about him. He has many many styles of music, and doesn't give a rat's a$s what the music excutives think, he does what he wants, when he wants. In fact Dylan himself is his biggest fan

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As an individual talent, I believe Angelique Kidjo will have staying power, with her powerful voice extending from African to Middle Eastern to jazz and blues repertoires.
This reminds me, 20 years ago, I asked the entertainment editor of a metropolitan daily who he thought would still be a singing star after 20 years. He suggested Sade. (Anybody remember Sade, pronounced shar-day?) He was using good strategy, though. Look how long other one-name female singers lasted---Cher and Madonna.

My choice was Willie Nelson. I think I came closer, but Nelson had already been around for ten years then, so it was a safer pick.
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Glenn Miller
Hank Williams
Buddy Holly
Patsy Cline
Mama Cass
Janis Joplin
Jimi Hendrix

These are all performers that have been dead for close to 40 years and more for some of them. In some ways they are better known today than they were when they were alive. Maybe it was the way they died that have made their legacy endure, but part of it was the talent. Their work is recorded for future generations and because of that I think many performers of today and the recent past will be remembered for a long time.
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Elvis and The Beatles will always be remembered by all. They're the John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln of 20th century music, in terms of everyone being able to identify them. Other musicians with a chance to be remembered are Madonna, Cher, and Michael Jackson - not for anything they accomplished musically, but because of their public images.

While some of the other names listed (Glenn Miller, Placido Domingo, Miles Davis, Aerosmith, etc.) are presently well-known, I doubt that people will remember them 100 years from now. In fact, I'd be surprised if more than 30% of Americans could currently identify Miller and Domingo, whereas better than 90% would be able to identify Madonna and Michael Jackson.

The list of musicians who will be remembered is quite different from the list of musicians who contributed quality music.
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The list of musicians who will be remembered is quite different from the list of musicians who contributed quality music.

That suggests that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, et al were merely the 50 Cents and Brittany Spears of their time. Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it's sub-standard. And just because something is obscure doesn't make it superior. That's just elitist BS.
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