WTF? My Teachers Says Someone Cheated, but She Doesn't Know Who - Page 2

Rapier · February 14th, 2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nighthawk

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As far as a copy from scenario, that would involve two "cheaters."
This presumes that the effort was mutual, which of course it isn't always. If the cheatee does not know his or her work is being observed, how are they cheating?

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How could a teacher not know who was copying from whom?
How could the teacher be expected to know? By investigating the incident. Which you seem to be against.

These are teenagers. Do you really think a student smart enough to be copied from would not realize someone is copying from his or her test paper? After 8 to 10 years of test taking?

How long into a school year do you think it takes teachers to know their students? It's February and they should certainly know who was copying. Unless of course a student was cheating in another way and another student was copying from him.

Where did I say I'm against the teacher investigating? I said I'm against involving the class.

Rapier · February 14th, 2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jtur88

Maybe the teacher didn't suspect cheating at all, but was making a blanket statement to plant the seed that in the future, there would be a level of vigilance, so they had better not cheat. Purely psychological.

Good point. But it's really negative and not my cup of tea.
Children should be watched and corrected not convicted.

Zen653 · February 14th, 2008, 11:26 AM

Cheating is rampant in high school. Most of us probably cheated at one time or another in our lives. While I stayed completely clean throughout college and law school, and never plagiarized at any level, I occasionally tried to gain an unfair competitive advantage in high school by asking someone taking the test before me what the essay questions were. I wasn't the only person in my class who did this, practically all of us who cared at all about our grades did so. Sometimes the essay questions would be the same, other times they'd be different. Even if you wanted to stay honest, sometimes you couldn't help overhearing something while waiting to go into class.

There were also instances where we'd be assigned large projects and would divide up the research and note-taking, as a time-saving mechanism. Person A would read and take notes on Book 1, Person B would read and takes notes on Book 2, Person C would read and take notes on Book 3, and then everyone would swap notes with each other before writing their papers. I feel somewhat guilty about it in retrospect but I also know that about 80% of students (if not more) cheated on a semi-regular basis, many of them in far more egregious ways. Students would regularly copy off each other during exams, sometimes with the teacher sitting just a few feet away from them. Smarter cheaters in social science and humanities classes would take turns writing papers and would then distribute them to the other people in the cheating group, who would then tinker, paraphrase, change the order, and flip arguments. Smarter cheaters in math and science classes would store formulas and other facts into their graphing calculators.

I think it's human nature to try and gain an edge. Teachers eventually come to accept this, focusing their energies primarily on the blatant cheating that shatters the integrity of academics (plagiarism and copying.)

Rapier · February 14th, 2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zen653

Smarter cheaters in math and science classes would store formulas and other facts into their graphing calculators.

Calculators what a way to dumb everyone down.

Big 4 Country · February 14th, 2008, 07:07 PM

btw, This happened at NC State University in my Spanish 201 class. If someone cheated then it is their own death and their parents won't be able to save them.

yh* · February 14th, 2008, 07:27 PM

This happened in a friend of mine's class -- someone stole a copy of the answer key to a test, and the professor didn't know who did it.

She made everyone read a BOOK on ethics and write an essay...I would have flipped if it were me in the class.

Rapier · February 14th, 2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Big 4 Country

btw, This happened at NC State University in my Spanish 201 class. If someone cheated then it is their own death and their parents won't be able to save them.

NC State? That's easy. Flunk everyone not on the B-ball team.

February 14th, 2008, 11:26 AM	#18 (permalink)
Zen653 Hall of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,283	Cheating is rampant in high school. Most of us probably cheated at one time or another in our lives. While I stayed completely clean throughout college and law school, and never plagiarized at any level, I occasionally tried to gain an unfair competitive advantage in high school by asking someone taking the test before me what the essay questions were. I wasn't the only person in my class who did this, practically all of us who cared at all about our grades did so. Sometimes the essay questions would be the same, other times they'd be different. Even if you wanted to stay honest, sometimes you couldn't help overhearing something while waiting to go into class. There were also instances where we'd be assigned large projects and would divide up the research and note-taking, as a time-saving mechanism. Person A would read and take notes on Book 1, Person B would read and takes notes on Book 2, Person C would read and take notes on Book 3, and then everyone would swap notes with each other before writing their papers. I feel somewhat guilty about it in retrospect but I also know that about 80% of students (if not more) cheated on a semi-regular basis, many of them in far more egregious ways. Students would regularly copy off each other during exams, sometimes with the teacher sitting just a few feet away from them. Smarter cheaters in social science and humanities classes would take turns writing papers and would then distribute them to the other people in the cheating group, who would then tinker, paraphrase, change the order, and flip arguments. Smarter cheaters in math and science classes would store formulas and other facts into their graphing calculators. I think it's human nature to try and gain an edge. Teachers eventually come to accept this, focusing their energies primarily on the blatant cheating that shatters the integrity of academics (plagiarism and copying.) Last edited by Zen653; February 14th, 2008 at 11:28 AM.

February 14th, 2008, 07:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
yh* Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 613	This happened in a friend of mine's class -- someone stole a copy of the answer key to a test, and the professor didn't know who did it. She made everyone read a BOOK on ethics and write an essay...I would have flipped if it were me in the class. __________________ the yankeehater

February 14th, 2008, 07:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
Big 4 Country Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 83	btw, This happened at NC State University in my Spanish 201 class. If someone cheated then it is their own death and their parents won't be able to save them.