Quietest first day of Spring Training EVER - Page 4

Roxpert · February 19th, 2007, 11:06 PM

I totally agree, Jackass. At this point, Iannetta is clearly a superior bet to succeed in the major leagues than about 3 or 4 names ahead of him on the list.

rockieprogress · February 21st, 2007, 01:04 AM

Roxpert, from post 42.

"You lie about my wanting to squelsh opposing views"

Roxpert from post 32

"Quit with the Oakland analogy already, RP. We've been through that one before."

Care to elaborate? From what I read, you didn't acknowledge in any post that Oakland isn't considered a farmclub for the big spending clubs, while maintaining that the Rockies will be considered one (by the fanbase).
YES IT MIGHT NOT BE IN TYPE, but there is such a thing as inuendo, and everyone uses it, so please quit with the "show me where I wrote "X".

What you were doing is squelching opposing views.

FWIW, I agree with your assumption that the Rockies need to increase what they're spending to be successful, but I'm also aware that its unlikely to happen with the Monfort's holding the purse strings.
Therefore I choose to look at other possibilities, and analogies, and see if they might also work here (that is, when I'm not being squelched

).

rockieprogress · February 21st, 2007, 01:06 AM

"I totally agree, Jackass."

Now THAT'S funny. I laugh everytime I see it...

Roxpert · February 21st, 2007, 09:21 AM

RP, I simply take offense at your tortured logic meant to point out that I'm trying to "squelch opposing views". You are free to write whatever nonsense you wish to write (and you've done a lot of that), and I'm free to call what you write NONSENSE. Saying that your views are nonsense is NOT "squelching" opposing views, it is rather commenting on such views.

You and HiAspire are too eager to use Oakland's model as an analogue to our situation, and I've already gone over why I think it's fallacious to do so in prior threads. I don't want to waste my time and regurgitate those "roads alerady travelled". I think we aren't "Oakland", and you seem to think there is something to be learned there. We disagree on how closely to compare Oakland with our situation, and that was already established. But I am NOT trying to squelch your opposing views. I AM trying to cut off a rehashing of an old debate that gets repetitive.

RP, I am tired of your personal attacks.

rockieprogress · February 21st, 2007, 10:59 AM

Roxpert, does calling someones views nonsense promote furthur comments?

No.

Why isn't Oakland considered a farm system for the Big Spenders? Because they're successful. Yet they allowed Zito to walk away uncompensated.

If the same thing happened here, those of the "glass half empty" opinion would be calling for Do'D's head right?
What makes the situation here different than in other cities where the same philosophy is espoused?

Here's the link for you on the trade:
Giants Sign Barry Zito

Do you think the same number of posts would be happening here? We don't sign an overpriced CF, and our board lights up with "they're too cheap to own a team".

Again, why the difference?

I believe its success, but I am interested in your view.

BTW, you haven't seen a "personal" attack. There have been NO posts that I've made that question the validity of what you've posted on either board.

I've questioned hypocrisy about denying opposing views, and calling someones posts nonsense and then denying its intent is just that.

Roxpert · February 21st, 2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rockieprogress

Roxpert, does calling someones views nonsense promote furthur comments?

No.

Why isn't Oakland considered a farm system for the Big Spenders? Because they're successful. Yet they allowed Zito to walk away uncompensated.

If the same thing happened here, those of the "glass half empty" opinion would be calling for Do'D's head right?

Wrong, and this is part of the "nonsense" from you I'm talking about. I don't think any of the analysts or fans here would complain if we passed on signing Zito to a $142 million contract. The Giants were foolish. Zito isn't Randy Johnson in his prime. BTW, the A's will get "compensation" in the form of a draft pick and the saved dollars can be reallocated to other internal players and free agents. But I don't follow the A's that much, and so just because YOU want to talk about Oakland incessantly, it doesn't mean anyone else here HAS to engage you in that conversation.

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I believe its success, but I am interested in your view.

Do I have to answer this again? Oakland and Denver/Rocky Mountain West are two entirely different markets, diferent leagues, different venues, and YES, different track records. The Rockies need to BOOTSTRAP themselves into a successful situation because they haven't had success. The A's have had success doing it the way they have, so aren't in as much need of funding a resurgence. Plus, their limited market potential makes such a model economically undesirable.

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BTW, you haven't seen a "personal" attack. There have been NO posts that I've made that question the validity of what you've posted on either board.

I've questioned hypocrisy about denying opposing views, and calling someones posts nonsense and then denying its intent is just that.

I consider being accused of "squelching opposing views" and being called a "hypocrite" as personal attacks. And I remain tired of it.

February 21st, 2007, 09:21 AM	#49 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	RP, get real.... RP, I simply take offense at your tortured logic meant to point out that I'm trying to "squelch opposing views". You are free to write whatever nonsense you wish to write (and you've done a lot of that), and I'm free to call what you write NONSENSE. Saying that your views are nonsense is NOT "squelching" opposing views, it is rather commenting on such views. You and HiAspire are too eager to use Oakland's model as an analogue to our situation, and I've already gone over why I think it's fallacious to do so in prior threads. I don't want to waste my time and regurgitate those "roads alerady travelled". I think we aren't "Oakland", and you seem to think there is something to be learned there. We disagree on how closely to compare Oakland with our situation, and that was already established. But I am NOT trying to squelch your opposing views. I AM trying to cut off a rehashing of an old debate that gets repetitive. RP, I am tired of your personal attacks. Last edited by Roxpert; February 21st, 2007 at 09:23 AM.

February 19th, 2007, 11:06 PM	#46 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	I totally agree, Jackass. At this point, Iannetta is clearly a superior bet to succeed in the major leagues than about 3 or 4 names ahead of him on the list.

February 21st, 2007, 01:04 AM	#47 (permalink)
rockieprogress Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: aurora Posts: 183	Roxpert, from post 42. "You lie about my wanting to squelsh opposing views" Roxpert from post 32 "Quit with the Oakland analogy already, RP. We've been through that one before." Care to elaborate? From what I read, you didn't acknowledge in any post that Oakland isn't considered a farmclub for the big spending clubs, while maintaining that the Rockies will be considered one (by the fanbase). YES IT MIGHT NOT BE IN TYPE, but there is such a thing as inuendo, and everyone uses it, so please quit with the "show me where I wrote "X". What you were doing is squelching opposing views. FWIW, I agree with your assumption that the Rockies need to increase what they're spending to be successful, but I'm also aware that its unlikely to happen with the Monfort's holding the purse strings. Therefore I choose to look at other possibilities, and analogies, and see if they might also work here (that is, when I'm not being squelched ).

February 21st, 2007, 01:06 AM	#48 (permalink)
rockieprogress Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: aurora Posts: 183	"I totally agree, Jackass." Now THAT'S funny. I laugh everytime I see it...

February 21st, 2007, 10:59 AM	#50 (permalink)
rockieprogress Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: aurora Posts: 183	Roxpert, does calling someones views nonsense promote furthur comments? No. Why isn't Oakland considered a farm system for the Big Spenders? Because they're successful. Yet they allowed Zito to walk away uncompensated. If the same thing happened here, those of the "glass half empty" opinion would be calling for Do'D's head right? What makes the situation here different than in other cities where the same philosophy is espoused? Here's the link for you on the trade: Giants Sign Barry Zito Do you think the same number of posts would be happening here? We don't sign an overpriced CF, and our board lights up with "they're too cheap to own a team". Again, why the difference? I believe its success, but I am interested in your view. BTW, you haven't seen a "personal" attack. There have been NO posts that I've made that question the validity of what you've posted on either board. I've questioned hypocrisy about denying opposing views, and calling someones posts nonsense and then denying its intent is just that.