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Roxpert · September 4th, 2008, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheIncredibleRox

I call him Markos "Screw Them" Moulistas.

Go ahead and bash kos for a cherry-picked bad thing he said a few years ago out of frustration. We all say bad things once in a while. Doesn't mean it invalidates everything else said there. He's no saint, but he did fight for our country as a member of the army. Have you enlisted yet? BTW, the I just heard the military gives money to Obama over McCain by a 6 to 1 ratio. I wonder why.

Two excellent kos diaries today, ranging from sad to funny. The video in the second one is great....

Daily Kos: McCain's secret plan

Daily Kos: "Karl Rove bitterly divided on the experience issue"

indianadrew · September 4th, 2008, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxpert

I just heard the military gives money to Obama over McCain by a 6 to 1 ratio. I wonder why.

where did you hear that? i would question the source.

Roxpert · September 4th, 2008, 12:01 PM

Why would you be surprised, Drew? The Bush/McCain policies have been horrible for military members and their families. They despise the fact that McCain plays the "POW" card all the time, yet does little if anything to support them. He was opposed to the recent GI Bill that became law, which Bush ultimately had to sign under pressure of a veto override. McCain and Bush are NOT liked by rank-and-file.

Oh, you asked for a source. Here it is....

Military donations favor Obama over McCain: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

TheIncredibleRox · September 5th, 2008, 09:58 AM

Roxpert is, of course, leaving out the main point: that the military is voting something like 70% for McCain.

The reasons why the donations aren't aligned the same is simple rational economics: say you're one of the small minority of soldiers in Iraq who feels that the war is wrong, needlessly endangering you, etc. Between you and the vast majority of soldiers who generally agree with the current policy, who has a higher vested interest in seeing their candidate win?

indianadrew · September 5th, 2008, 01:58 PM

i would be willing to wager that mccain is going to win the election. it just seems to me that obama will not get the blue colar vote. there are still alot of people that are not ready for a president of color. we'll se come nov.

Roxpert · September 5th, 2008, 03:15 PM

TIR, source, please?

Drew, since you are saying McCain is going to win, you've just revealed that you're voting for Obama. After all, you earlier wrote that you are voting for the loser.

However, I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Check out this website, from Baseball Prospectus' own Nate Silver....

FiveThirtyEight.com: Electoral Projections Done Right

His work says there's a 71.8% chance that Obama wins. Now, he's an Obama supporter so there may be some bias in the results, though his methodology should be bias-free. It is a volatile model though. He runs 10,000 sims per day to get that percentage, and 10 days ago it was about 50%. So, the DNC gave Obama a 22% bump in his winning chances. I don't think the RNC bump is yet reflected in his numbers, though that will surely change by the middle of next week. Another good site to see how the race is shaping up (and it also looks good for Obama) is....

Pollster.com - Political Poll Trends, Charts and Analysis

TheIncredibleRox · September 5th, 2008, 05:42 PM

Veterans Solidly Back McCain

This poll shows covers all veterans (meaning all who have ever worn a uniform, whether WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc). So it is not comprised of those serving in GWOT, but it does include them. Amongst all vets, it's McCain 56 to 34.

I cannot find previous polls I've seen, but I recall seeing McCain polling at 68% and 72% within active military. Bush, who barely had a record of military service, got something like 65% in the last election.

If you think Obama is getting even 40% of the active military vote, you're nuts. Theres a great chance he doesn't get 30%.

RMF · September 5th, 2008, 07:17 PM

I'm voting for Sarah Palin for president!

Put me on the private jet selling bandwagon.

I was going to vote for Obama until just recently. I think I'm going to give conservatism one last chance.

Roxpert · September 5th, 2008, 08:03 PM

Does Palin KNOW anything? The McCain campaign won't even allow her to meet with the media and answer questions. Surely, they have her cramming for her debate.

Here's what I know about Palin statements thus far, and her (lack) of truthfulness.....

Claim: "I said no to the Bridge To Nowhere".
Fact: "She supported the BTN when running for governor, and kept the earmarked money for other Alaskan projects. As mayor, Palin hired a lobbyist and got $27 million of pork over McCain's objections.

Claim: "I'm a fiscal conservative".
Fact: Palin left her small town with $22 million of debt. It had been debt free when she took office.

Claim: "I sold the governor's jet on EBay and made a profit."
Fact: While Palin listed the jet on EBay twice, it didn't sell. The jet eventually was sold in a private party transaction for $2.1 million, a $600,000 loss.

Claim: "Obama wants to raise your taxes".
Fact: Obama's tax plan will lower taxes for 95% of taxpayers, whille only raising taxes for the top 1%, those making over $250,000.

Other facts:

Palin tried to fire Wasilla's librarian who refused to ban books she didn't like.
Palin's work as mayor was part-time. She hired an admiinistrator to handle day-to-day.
Palin wants to totally OUTLAW abortion, even in cases of rape and incest.
Palin's husband was confirmed as an AIP party member, an Alaskan separatist party.

What do YOU know about Sarah Palin? Other than she's the "hottest governor from the coolest state"? Does she seem like "Presidential Timber" to you? Two years ago she was a part-time Mayor of a small town. And she's a right-wing extremist. She will be a heartbeat away if McCain wins. We will all be praying for his health, even agnostics like me!

BigRapidsJackass · September 5th, 2008, 08:36 PM

I like John McCain. I like Barack Obama.

I don't like Joe Biden. And I really, really don't like what I've seen of Sarah Palin so far.

Biggest problem in her history so far, as far as I'm concerned: she decided her small town needed a $15 million recreation center, and indebted the town in order to fund it. But she (and her appointed City Manager) somehow forgot to acquire all of the land the rec center was going to sit on. A private land owner was then able to drive up the price for his parcel to almost $2 million more than the town budgeted. That is just a horrible mistake, particularly when you're talking about a town (at the time) of about 6,000 people.

BigRapidsJackass · September 5th, 2008, 08:56 PM

By the way, the biggest disheartening fact about the election season?

Absolutely no mention of the single biggest issue in America today: the fallout from the subprime mortgage mess. Where did the candidates stand on the Bear Stearns bailout? Where to they stand on the seemingly-imminent Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bailout? Where is Obama's criticism of the slack -- or nonexistent -- oversight of Fannie and Freddie over the last 8 years? Is it because a lot of his Democratic colleagues were also on the Fannie/Freddie payoff list?

And how about immigration? Just about a year ago, polls showed it was the #1 issue in the minds of Americans. We know where McCain stood then, and we can pretty well guess where Obama stands now. But again, neither candidate has the nerve to even touch the issue.

Instead, we'll hear about education from John McCain. A state function if ever there was one. One of the better ideas of the Gingrich-era Republicans was to eliminate the federal Dept of Education. Now McCain appears to want to expand the federal government's role in education. And when he hits the issue in his speech, the camera pans the audience where Sarah Palin -- she of the pregnant high school dropout daughter, and soon of the high school dropout self-professed "redneck" son-in-law -- smiles and applauds approvingly. Yeah, I really want her to do for the nation's education what she's done for her own family ...

Roxpert · September 5th, 2008, 10:34 PM

Jackass, we haven't heard much of anything about the issues during the campaign because the media is making it about personalities. McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, the other day said this campaign will be about personalities, not issues. That's how they want it since the GOP loses this election on the issues.

That's why Palin works great for them. She's a new fresh figure who distracts everyone from talking about actual issues. I despise GOP politics for this one reason alone. They are great at shaping and framing for the media to win elections, and utterly incompetent at running governments.

After 8 years of incompetent malfeasance under Bush, an inexperienced lightweight governor when he took office, we are possibly going to have a featherweight governor with even less experience a 72 year-old heartbeat away from leading the free world. Yet many see no problem with this frightening possibility. Ideology trumps competence in the minds of some wingers.

And that fiasco with the rec center is just a small exmple of the incompetence Ms. Palin would bring to Washington. Ugh.

Says something about the wrinkly white-haired dude's judgment, doesn't it? He's gonna have an entire administration full of "heckuva job Brownie" types if he wins.

Addendum: I love Biden. Just watch the video in the following link. He's on FIRE! Man, I hope he's our next VP instead of that Palin dimwit....

Crooks and Liars » Biden on the RNC: “What do you talk about when you can’t explain the last eight years of failure?”

Newman · September 6th, 2008, 06:02 AM

I am so tired of America being run and ruined by the far right wing theocracy which Palin represents. The end timers. They hate the Jews, want no abortion rights under any circumstance, so on and so forth. Fringe freaks. Why are Dobson and Hagee and their ilk allowed to have such a huge influence on our country?

Why does Todd Palin, Sarah's husband, hate America so? He belongs to the Alaska Independence party. He wants Alaska to secede from the Union! All Michelle Obama said was that this was the first time she was proud of America as an adult. She was ripped apart for that comment (taken out of context, referring to what?, the Iraq War, lack of response to Katrina??). She wanted to keep America together, make it better. Todd Palin wants Alaska to leave the Union! What does Rush, Hannity, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly say about that?

You can hear a pin drop!

indianadrew · September 6th, 2008, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roxpert

Drew, since you are saying McCain is going to win, you've just revealed that you're voting for Obama. After all, you earlier wrote that you are voting for the loser.

chances are i will be voting for bob barr. he will not win.

BigRapidsJackass · September 6th, 2008, 09:12 AM

Newman, you're right about one thing.

I don't care about Sarah's/Bristol's/whoever's baby boom.

But I am amazed that the press hasn't seized on Todd Palin's membership -- FOR AT LEAST 7-8 YEARS! -- in a party committed to seceding from the United States. A party whose founder claims to hate the federal government with a passion.

So why is her husband's political affiliation an issue? Because Michelle Obama's casual comment about "for the first time in my adult life I'm really proud to be an American" is taken as proof of her anti-American sentiment.

It's not as if she joined a party that actually has, as it's core belief, secession from he United States. Which one is more anti-American? The one who hasn't been proud of how her country has behaved and who wants her husband to make her proud? Or the one who wants to break away from the United States -- the one who doesn't even believe his state (Alaska) should be "united?"

And Sarah's involvement in this is far from casual. You don't see Obama giving a welcoming speech at the Green Party convention. You did see Sarah doing that, just a couple years ago, at the nutcase Alaska Independence Party convention.

I guess wanting to drill, drill, drill so that Alaskans -- and only Alaskans -- can keep, keep, keep the resulting oil wealth just isn't an issue worth exploring. No, the press hasn't been fair to Palin, picking on her loser family. They also haven't been fair in exploring the real issues: who in their right mind can run on a "country first" motto when her history is not "country first," it is "Alaska first."

September 5th, 2008, 03:15 PM	#1041 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	TIR, source, please? Drew, since you are saying McCain is going to win, you've just revealed that you're voting for Obama. After all, you earlier wrote that you are voting for the loser. However, I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Check out this website, from Baseball Prospectus' own Nate Silver.... FiveThirtyEight.com: Electoral Projections Done Right His work says there's a 71.8% chance that Obama wins. Now, he's an Obama supporter so there may be some bias in the results, though his methodology should be bias-free. It is a volatile model though. He runs 10,000 sims per day to get that percentage, and 10 days ago it was about 50%. So, the DNC gave Obama a 22% bump in his winning chances. I don't think the RNC bump is yet reflected in his numbers, though that will surely change by the middle of next week. Another good site to see how the race is shaping up (and it also looks good for Obama) is.... Pollster.com - Political Poll Trends, Charts and Analysis Last edited by Roxpert; September 5th, 2008 at 03:45 PM.

September 5th, 2008, 08:03 PM	#1044 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	Does Palin KNOW anything? The McCain campaign won't even allow her to meet with the media and answer questions. Surely, they have her cramming for her debate. Here's what I know about Palin statements thus far, and her (lack) of truthfulness..... Claim: "I said no to the Bridge To Nowhere". Fact: "She supported the BTN when running for governor, and kept the earmarked money for other Alaskan projects. As mayor, Palin hired a lobbyist and got $27 million of pork over McCain's objections. Claim: "I'm a fiscal conservative". Fact: Palin left her small town with $22 million of debt. It had been debt free when she took office. Claim: "I sold the governor's jet on EBay and made a profit." Fact: While Palin listed the jet on EBay twice, it didn't sell. The jet eventually was sold in a private party transaction for $2.1 million, a $600,000 loss. Claim: "Obama wants to raise your taxes". Fact: Obama's tax plan will lower taxes for 95% of taxpayers, whille only raising taxes for the top 1%, those making over $250,000. Other facts: Palin tried to fire Wasilla's librarian who refused to ban books she didn't like. Palin's work as mayor was part-time. She hired an admiinistrator to handle day-to-day. Palin wants to totally OUTLAW abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. Palin's husband was confirmed as an AIP party member, an Alaskan separatist party. What do YOU know about Sarah Palin? Other than she's the "hottest governor from the coolest state"? Does she seem like "Presidential Timber" to you? Two years ago she was a part-time Mayor of a small town. And she's a right-wing extremist. She will be a heartbeat away if McCain wins. We will all be praying for his health, even agnostics like me! Last edited by Roxpert; September 5th, 2008 at 08:13 PM.

September 5th, 2008, 10:34 PM	#1047 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	Jackass, we haven't heard much of anything about the issues during the campaign because the media is making it about personalities. McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, the other day said this campaign will be about personalities, not issues. That's how they want it since the GOP loses this election on the issues. That's why Palin works great for them. She's a new fresh figure who distracts everyone from talking about actual issues. I despise GOP politics for this one reason alone. They are great at shaping and framing for the media to win elections, and utterly incompetent at running governments. After 8 years of incompetent malfeasance under Bush, an inexperienced lightweight governor when he took office, we are possibly going to have a featherweight governor with even less experience a 72 year-old heartbeat away from leading the free world. Yet many see no problem with this frightening possibility. Ideology trumps competence in the minds of some wingers. And that fiasco with the rec center is just a small exmple of the incompetence Ms. Palin would bring to Washington. Ugh. Says something about the wrinkly white-haired dude's judgment, doesn't it? He's gonna have an entire administration full of "heckuva job Brownie" types if he wins. Addendum: I love Biden. Just watch the video in the following link. He's on FIRE! Man, I hope he's our next VP instead of that Palin dimwit.... Crooks and Liars » Biden on the RNC: “What do you talk about when you can’t explain the last eight years of failure?” Last edited by Roxpert; September 5th, 2008 at 11:07 PM.

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September 4th, 2008, 12:01 PM	#1038 (permalink)
Roxpert Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 1,082	Why would you be surprised, Drew? The Bush/McCain policies have been horrible for military members and their families. They despise the fact that McCain plays the "POW" card all the time, yet does little if anything to support them. He was opposed to the recent GI Bill that became law, which Bush ultimately had to sign under pressure of a veto override. McCain and Bush are NOT liked by rank-and-file. Oh, you asked for a source. Here it is.... Military donations favor Obama over McCain: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance

September 5th, 2008, 09:58 AM	#1039 (permalink)
TheIncredibleRox Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 322	Roxpert is, of course, leaving out the main point: that the military is voting something like 70% for McCain. The reasons why the donations aren't aligned the same is simple rational economics: say you're one of the small minority of soldiers in Iraq who feels that the war is wrong, needlessly endangering you, etc. Between you and the vast majority of soldiers who generally agree with the current policy, who has a higher vested interest in seeing their candidate win?

September 5th, 2008, 01:58 PM	#1040 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 698	i would be willing to wager that mccain is going to win the election. it just seems to me that obama will not get the blue colar vote. there are still alot of people that are not ready for a president of color. we'll se come nov.

September 5th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#1042 (permalink)
TheIncredibleRox Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 322	Veterans Solidly Back McCain This poll shows covers all veterans (meaning all who have ever worn a uniform, whether WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc). So it is not comprised of those serving in GWOT, but it does include them. Amongst all vets, it's McCain 56 to 34. I cannot find previous polls I've seen, but I recall seeing McCain polling at 68% and 72% within active military. Bush, who barely had a record of military service, got something like 65% in the last election. If you think Obama is getting even 40% of the active military vote, you're nuts. Theres a great chance he doesn't get 30%.

September 5th, 2008, 07:17 PM	#1043 (permalink)
RMF Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 206	I'm voting for Sarah Palin for president! Put me on the private jet selling bandwagon. I was going to vote for Obama until just recently. I think I'm going to give conservatism one last chance.

September 5th, 2008, 08:36 PM	#1045 (permalink)
BigRapidsJackass Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,175	I like John McCain. I like Barack Obama. I don't like Joe Biden. And I really, really don't like what I've seen of Sarah Palin so far. Biggest problem in her history so far, as far as I'm concerned: she decided her small town needed a $15 million recreation center, and indebted the town in order to fund it. But she (and her appointed City Manager) somehow forgot to acquire all of the land the rec center was going to sit on. A private land owner was then able to drive up the price for his parcel to almost $2 million more than the town budgeted. That is just a horrible mistake, particularly when you're talking about a town (at the time) of about 6,000 people.

September 5th, 2008, 08:56 PM	#1046 (permalink)
BigRapidsJackass Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,175	By the way, the biggest disheartening fact about the election season? Absolutely no mention of the single biggest issue in America today: the fallout from the subprime mortgage mess. Where did the candidates stand on the Bear Stearns bailout? Where to they stand on the seemingly-imminent Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bailout? Where is Obama's criticism of the slack -- or nonexistent -- oversight of Fannie and Freddie over the last 8 years? Is it because a lot of his Democratic colleagues were also on the Fannie/Freddie payoff list? And how about immigration? Just about a year ago, polls showed it was the #1 issue in the minds of Americans. We know where McCain stood then, and we can pretty well guess where Obama stands now. But again, neither candidate has the nerve to even touch the issue. Instead, we'll hear about education from John McCain. A state function if ever there was one. One of the better ideas of the Gingrich-era Republicans was to eliminate the federal Dept of Education. Now McCain appears to want to expand the federal government's role in education. And when he hits the issue in his speech, the camera pans the audience where Sarah Palin -- she of the pregnant high school dropout daughter, and soon of the high school dropout self-professed "redneck" son-in-law -- smiles and applauds approvingly. Yeah, I really want her to do for the nation's education what she's done for her own family ...

September 6th, 2008, 06:02 AM	#1048 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 566	I am so tired of America being run and ruined by the far right wing theocracy which Palin represents. The end timers. They hate the Jews, want no abortion rights under any circumstance, so on and so forth. Fringe freaks. Why are Dobson and Hagee and their ilk allowed to have such a huge influence on our country? Why does Todd Palin, Sarah's husband, hate America so? He belongs to the Alaska Independence party. He wants Alaska to secede from the Union! All Michelle Obama said was that this was the first time she was proud of America as an adult. She was ripped apart for that comment (taken out of context, referring to what?, the Iraq War, lack of response to Katrina??). She wanted to keep America together, make it better. Todd Palin wants Alaska to leave the Union! What does Rush, Hannity, Glenn Beck, O'Reilly say about that? You can hear a pin drop!

September 6th, 2008, 09:12 AM	#1050 (permalink)
BigRapidsJackass Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,175	Newman, you're right about one thing. I don't care about Sarah's/Bristol's/whoever's baby boom. But I am amazed that the press hasn't seized on Todd Palin's membership -- FOR AT LEAST 7-8 YEARS! -- in a party committed to seceding from the United States. A party whose founder claims to hate the federal government with a passion. So why is her husband's political affiliation an issue? Because Michelle Obama's casual comment about "for the first time in my adult life I'm really proud to be an American" is taken as proof of her anti-American sentiment. It's not as if she joined a party that actually has, as it's core belief, secession from he United States. Which one is more anti-American? The one who hasn't been proud of how her country has behaved and who wants her husband to make her proud? Or the one who wants to break away from the United States -- the one who doesn't even believe his state (Alaska) should be "united?" And Sarah's involvement in this is far from casual. You don't see Obama giving a welcoming speech at the Green Party convention. You did see Sarah doing that, just a couple years ago, at the nutcase Alaska Independence Party convention. I guess wanting to drill, drill, drill so that Alaskans -- and only Alaskans -- can keep, keep, keep the resulting oil wealth just isn't an issue worth exploring. No, the press hasn't been fair to Palin, picking on her loser family. They also haven't been fair in exploring the real issues: who in their right mind can run on a "country first" motto when her history is not "country first," it is "Alaska first."