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Newman · 03-29-2008, 08:48 AM

Gee, Jackass. Don't all politicians have ulterior motives? Why do we see the Reverend Hagee (the hater of Catholics) and Reverend Ron Parsley, the Evangelical, standing up at the podium with Teflon John McCain? Because they're suddenly good friends? No, obviously, to get votes, to get elected, to get into power.

The second half of your post, I agree with too. People vote on emotion. Not facts. How many people are googling the internet for Obama's position on illegal immigration or the economy? Very few. Most get "info" on him from the mainstream media, talk radio, word of mouth, from friends, and so forth. Digging for facts is hard work.

The choice seems pretty clear this year. Either a person votes for McCain, which translates into 4 more years of Bush, more of the economics that brought us this recession, more stay the course on the war and occupation of Iraq, OR you vote for change.

RockieRooter · 03-29-2008, 09:33 AM

I can't vote for Obama, and it has nothing to do with Wright, or with Obama's message. In fact, I agree with many of his underlying themes of unity and concern for all people. However, Obama is one of the most powerful and influential people in the country. When has he done anything to unite the country? When has he done anything to show concern for all people? If he actually cares about any of this you'd think he'd have been using his power. Instead he's pretty much been a nothing.

The bad thing about this political season is that there's really nobody running that I can vote for. I'm strongly against everyone. It's extremely frustrating.

indianadrew · 03-29-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockieRooter

I can't vote for Obama, and it has nothing to do with Wright, or with Obama's message. In fact, I agree with many of his underlying themes of unity and concern for all people. However, Obama is one of the most powerful and influential people in the country. When has he done anything to unite the country? When has he done anything to show concern for all people? If he actually cares about any of this you'd think he'd have been using his power. Instead he's pretty much been a nothing.

The bad thing about this political season is that there's really nobody running that I can vote for. I'm strongly against everyone. It's extremely frustrating.

RR who do you think should be president? i will be voting on pretty much 1 issue. iraq. we need our troops home. put them on the border. WOW 2 problems solved. i dont think this country wants 100 more years of iraq, therefore i dont think john mccain will be president.

RockieRooter · 03-30-2008, 09:10 AM

None of the above, given what choices we have. Both Obama and Hillary benefit from the status quo domestically. They might bring the troops home, but I don't see any really meaningful change. I don't like McCain at all, but his 100 years quote has been misused a lot. We've been in Germany for over 60 years. It's not the same situation in Iraq, but clearly he hasn't been talking about 100 years of combat either. I don't trust McCain because of his record in the senate. His record has also been one of pandering. The country needs leadership IMHO and I'm not sure where it's coming from. I had an interest in Romney early in the primaries, but didn't learn enough before he dropped out.

Newman · 03-30-2008, 09:54 AM

www.barackobama.com

RR, have you gone to his site and investigated his position on issues? I have not. That would be hard work for me. I listen to political talk all day long on air america and NPR as well as the righty controlled outlets. Enough is enough.

I'm sold on Obama. If he has a Dem Congress to work with he can create change in America.

A vote for McCain is clearly a vote for 4 more years of Bush policies. Where do they differ? They don't. We're in an economic recession. We pay for the endless war by borrowing money from Communist China and the Petrol States.

Plus the Supreme Court would take a far right turn.

How can you compare Germany to Iraq? After WWII there was no fighting, bombings, IEDs, endless religious civil war that we were referreeeing. There's no comparison. As long as we stay in Iraq there will be violence.

indianadrew · 03-30-2008, 12:06 PM

i really like what obama had to say about healthcare. if any of you are familiar with HSA's then you have an idea of what he wants to do. i have had a HSA for years and have been very happy with the quality of medical care my family and i have received since. in some cases there are medical professionals that are happier to have me as a patient versus somebody with traditional coverage.

RockieRooter · 03-31-2008, 08:58 AM

Newman, IndianaDrew, I also think Obama has a lot of good things to say. My main issue is that he has, at least to this point, done nothing with the power he has. That makes me see him as empty words. On the other side, Obama's made money exploiting the poor. While that puts him in the same company with Hillary who used her husband's connections to make money, I'm not sure it's good resume building for president.

Newman · 03-31-2008, 10:30 PM

What has McCain done? Did he solve the illegal immigration problem in his own state of Arizona? What has he ever done?

Obama's made money exploiting the poor? Care to expand on that RR?

indianadrew · 04-01-2008, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newman

What has McCain done? Did he solve the illegal immigration problem in his own state of Arizona? What has he ever done?

Obama's made money exploiting the poor? Care to expand on that RR?

i think what he is refering to is the act that he represented "slumlords" as an attorney.

Newman · 04-01-2008, 08:46 AM

So this is how the far right will swift boat Barack? I'm aware of the Revsko scandal, only slightly, from Hillary's attack. I think she was dodging sniper fire at the time so it's hard to know how accurate the phrase slum lord is and what exactly Obama did for the bad guy. Barack was a community organizer, helping poor black folk out of college. That's the part of his resume I remember for sure.

McCain, let's remember, will be 72 when he's elected. Already he is having senior moments, confusing Shia vs. Sunni. And this is his area of expertise? He knows nothing about the economy and has said as much. He will just let things be, the republican way, no regulations, let large corporations make huge profits at the expense of stupid little people.

McCain has ethics problems of his own. Remember the Keating 5 scandal? He has predatory lenders giving money to his campaign. Those two reverends he picked up as supporters, Parsley and Hagge, are freaks.

See the big picture. If you're rich, wealthy, want us to be in a shooting war in Iraq for 100 years, want for more years of Bush, like the high gas prices, high food prices, well then stay the course, hit the iceberg. McCain will probably be napping as he steers our Titanic.

RockieRooter · 04-01-2008, 11:44 AM

Newman, I'm not surprised that you change the topic from Obama to McCain. I don't like McCain, but trashing McCain does nothing to make Obama "pure". I'm against hatred and divisiveness wherever I see it. I get upset when somebody speaks unity but acts from divisiveness. I dislike when I see politicians pandering rather than leading.

indianadrew · 04-02-2008, 06:31 AM

what is the revsko scandal newman? is your spelling right. i tried to look up info on it and could not. can you provide a link?

Tony Rezko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thanks TIR

TheIncredibleRox · 04-02-2008, 10:25 AM

Rezko; Tony Rezko. Basically, he was a big backstage guy in Chicago politics (Illinois/Chicago is a cesspool of political corruption, which is funny for a guy like Obama who is running on the idea that he's uncorruptable). He was sleazy, traded money/favors for political power, and is being indicted for doing so.

He's been an Obama associate for a long time, and was all too conviniently involved with Obama getting a sweetheart deal on his Chicago home.

The Obama scorecard; Racial healing? Strike one. Anti-corruption, pro-honesty? Strike two.

Strike three? No, those two things were all he ever had going for him, and they were complete facades.

indianadrew · 04-02-2008, 12:26 PM

hey TIR

have you seen roxpert? if you do please tell him he is missed here.

TheIncredibleRox · 04-02-2008, 10:17 PM

Haha... It's been a while but I plan to speak with him soon. I'll send along your message.

BTW, I realized after my last post that I violated my self-imposed baseball-only rule for myself on this board. I'm checking myself back into rehab.... ;-)

03-29-2008, 09:33 AM	#902 (permalink)
RockieRooter Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 62	Obama I can't vote for Obama, and it has nothing to do with Wright, or with Obama's message. In fact, I agree with many of his underlying themes of unity and concern for all people. However, Obama is one of the most powerful and influential people in the country. When has he done anything to unite the country? When has he done anything to show concern for all people? If he actually cares about any of this you'd think he'd have been using his power. Instead he's pretty much been a nothing. The bad thing about this political season is that there's really nobody running that I can vote for. I'm strongly against everyone. It's extremely frustrating.

04-01-2008, 11:44 AM	#911 (permalink)
RockieRooter Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 62	Obama Newman, I'm not surprised that you change the topic from Obama to McCain. I don't like McCain, but trashing McCain does nothing to make Obama "pure". I'm against hatred and divisiveness wherever I see it. I get upset when somebody speaks unity but acts from divisiveness. I dislike when I see politicians pandering rather than leading.

04-02-2008, 06:31 AM	#912 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 536	what is the revsko scandal newman? is your spelling right. i tried to look up info on it and could not. can you provide a link? Tony Rezko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia thanks TIR Last edited by indianadrew; 04-02-2008 at 12:24 PM.

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03-29-2008, 08:48 AM	#901 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 525	Gee, Jackass. Don't all politicians have ulterior motives? Why do we see the Reverend Hagee (the hater of Catholics) and Reverend Ron Parsley, the Evangelical, standing up at the podium with Teflon John McCain? Because they're suddenly good friends? No, obviously, to get votes, to get elected, to get into power. The second half of your post, I agree with too. People vote on emotion. Not facts. How many people are googling the internet for Obama's position on illegal immigration or the economy? Very few. Most get "info" on him from the mainstream media, talk radio, word of mouth, from friends, and so forth. Digging for facts is hard work. The choice seems pretty clear this year. Either a person votes for McCain, which translates into 4 more years of Bush, more of the economics that brought us this recession, more stay the course on the war and occupation of Iraq, OR you vote for change.

03-30-2008, 09:10 AM	#904 (permalink)
RockieRooter Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 62	None of the above, given what choices we have. Both Obama and Hillary benefit from the status quo domestically. They might bring the troops home, but I don't see any really meaningful change. I don't like McCain at all, but his 100 years quote has been misused a lot. We've been in Germany for over 60 years. It's not the same situation in Iraq, but clearly he hasn't been talking about 100 years of combat either. I don't trust McCain because of his record in the senate. His record has also been one of pandering. The country needs leadership IMHO and I'm not sure where it's coming from. I had an interest in Romney early in the primaries, but didn't learn enough before he dropped out.

03-30-2008, 09:54 AM	#905 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 525	www.barackobama.com RR, have you gone to his site and investigated his position on issues? I have not. That would be hard work for me. I listen to political talk all day long on air america and NPR as well as the righty controlled outlets. Enough is enough. I'm sold on Obama. If he has a Dem Congress to work with he can create change in America. A vote for McCain is clearly a vote for 4 more years of Bush policies. Where do they differ? They don't. We're in an economic recession. We pay for the endless war by borrowing money from Communist China and the Petrol States. Plus the Supreme Court would take a far right turn. How can you compare Germany to Iraq? After WWII there was no fighting, bombings, IEDs, endless religious civil war that we were referreeeing. There's no comparison. As long as we stay in Iraq there will be violence.

03-30-2008, 12:06 PM	#906 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 536	i really like what obama had to say about healthcare. if any of you are familiar with HSA's then you have an idea of what he wants to do. i have had a HSA for years and have been very happy with the quality of medical care my family and i have received since. in some cases there are medical professionals that are happier to have me as a patient versus somebody with traditional coverage.

03-31-2008, 08:58 AM	#907 (permalink)
RockieRooter Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 62	Newman, IndianaDrew, I also think Obama has a lot of good things to say. My main issue is that he has, at least to this point, done nothing with the power he has. That makes me see him as empty words. On the other side, Obama's made money exploiting the poor. While that puts him in the same company with Hillary who used her husband's connections to make money, I'm not sure it's good resume building for president.

03-31-2008, 10:30 PM	#908 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 525	What has McCain done? Did he solve the illegal immigration problem in his own state of Arizona? What has he ever done? Obama's made money exploiting the poor? Care to expand on that RR?

04-01-2008, 08:46 AM	#910 (permalink)
Newman Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 525	So this is how the far right will swift boat Barack? I'm aware of the Revsko scandal, only slightly, from Hillary's attack. I think she was dodging sniper fire at the time so it's hard to know how accurate the phrase slum lord is and what exactly Obama did for the bad guy. Barack was a community organizer, helping poor black folk out of college. That's the part of his resume I remember for sure. McCain, let's remember, will be 72 when he's elected. Already he is having senior moments, confusing Shia vs. Sunni. And this is his area of expertise? He knows nothing about the economy and has said as much. He will just let things be, the republican way, no regulations, let large corporations make huge profits at the expense of stupid little people. McCain has ethics problems of his own. Remember the Keating 5 scandal? He has predatory lenders giving money to his campaign. Those two reverends he picked up as supporters, Parsley and Hagge, are freaks. See the big picture. If you're rich, wealthy, want us to be in a shooting war in Iraq for 100 years, want for more years of Bush, like the high gas prices, high food prices, well then stay the course, hit the iceberg. McCain will probably be napping as he steers our Titanic.

04-02-2008, 10:25 AM	#913 (permalink)
TheIncredibleRox Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 274	Rezko; Tony Rezko. Basically, he was a big backstage guy in Chicago politics (Illinois/Chicago is a cesspool of political corruption, which is funny for a guy like Obama who is running on the idea that he's uncorruptable). He was sleazy, traded money/favors for political power, and is being indicted for doing so. He's been an Obama associate for a long time, and was all too conviniently involved with Obama getting a sweetheart deal on his Chicago home. The Obama scorecard; Racial healing? Strike one. Anti-corruption, pro-honesty? Strike two. Strike three? No, those two things were all he ever had going for him, and they were complete facades.

04-02-2008, 12:26 PM	#914 (permalink)
indianadrew Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: indianapolis Posts: 536	hey TIR have you seen roxpert? if you do please tell him he is missed here.

04-02-2008, 10:17 PM	#915 (permalink)
TheIncredibleRox Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 274	Haha... It's been a while but I plan to speak with him soon. I'll send along your message. BTW, I realized after my last post that I violated my self-imposed baseball-only rule for myself on this board. I'm checking myself back into rehab.... ;-)